mburt, sure, of course if they both use includes. And I'm not saying that flash shouldn't ever be used, either. As I said, it has its place.

Now, Medyman, I hope you realize that you followed your statement telling me what I said was a personal opinion with a lot of your own personal opinions. That's one of the great things about web design, there's so many options and so many ways to do something. Everyone has things they prefer and things they're weary of. If every designer agreed with you, sir, every site would be in flash.