video file

[jasm]

I have uploaded a video clip to the following webpage:
http://testing.freeownhost.com/

Eventhough I have disabled the right click function, the source of the video file can still be viewed in "properties" when I move the cursor to the "window media player" screen on the webpage and anyone can download the video file using the URL. Someone has suggested that I convert the video file from "wmv" to "asf" and it worked fine the previous time, ie when I copy and paste the URL (http://testing.freeownhost.com/z3_wangbodong2.asf) , the web page will open up as "no such page", but now it will trigger Window Media Player to open up the file and allow anyone to download the ASF file like the wmv file.

I wonder how I can protect the video file? (I know people can still use screen shot to capture the video but it is not as easy as downloading from the site straight away)

Will "webpage with the video screen open up as a pop up" help?
May I know what code to use for such a pop up ? Javascript or.......?

Thank you.

[jscheuer1]

You can't.

[jasm]

Professor jscheuer1,
Thank you very much for your response.

I have seen in another site which is currently under reconstruction and thus unavailable where the video file screen pop up and there is no way to trace the source of the file.

The site below is one that has the same concept though is an AUDIO one.
http://www.real2000.org/web/real/real_11694.htm

When I click on the WMA link, a screen pop up and the source of the WMA file cannot be traced.

I would appreciate your advice.

[jscheuer1]

I have seen in another site which is currently under reconstruction and thus unavailable where the video file screen pop up and there is no way to trace the source of the file.

That you can see.

[djr33]

Link us, we'll get the source quickly.


It's one of the "big questions" that there really is no answer for. not gonna happen.


edit: just saw the link to the real audio page... real is stupid, and not compatible. it also has weird streaming abilities, so it might actually be possible to hide it, but I also think that someone who knows about real format (I don't, even though I do video work... use QT mostly), it would be easy enough to get into.

[Twey]

mms://220.168.208.149/20031101/ylh/klrs/11bjnmdosuoagagadga.wma

[jasm]

Many thanks to all of you for your kind responses to my queries.

I thought of 2 options:

1) May I know if I can hide the video file in "js" file?

2) This is the source code of a video file http://play.rbn.com/mactv/mactv/demand/200604150930300k.rm
that I got from a TV station :
http://www.mactv.com.tw/mactv/main_vod01.php

Is it possible for one to download and save the RM video file to one's computer? I can't find the "save" button. If not, I thought of doing the same for my WMV file. (Sorry, I am not familiar with REAL MEDIA PLAYER.)

[djr33]

Hiding in JS is a joke. You can just look at the source. that's what view>source does. Or, look at the source, find the url of the external js file (if ext), then open that, check url.
done.

You can't "hide" it in a js file... just put it there. Not gonna do much.

I said this above. I hate real media player. It's proprietary, you need a special player, and I've never seen anything in it that looks decent. Then again, I uninstalled it a while ago after getting fed up with its stupidity.
So... no clue on that question.

Just for the record, that source file is nothing...
rtsp://rx-wes-sea167.rbn.com/farm/*/mactv/mactv/demand/200604150930300k.rm
--stop--
pnm://rx-wes-sea167.rbn.com/farm/*/mactv/mactv/demand/200604150930300k.rm
I have no clue what that means... it just links to itself.

EDIT: Ah! Nevermind. the link you gave is slightly different. Looks to me like it changes the domain name, adds "/farm/*/" to it, then changes from http to rtsp and pnm, which is, clearly some weird RM format link... meaning that's your source file... just dunno if you can get to it to easily.


EDIT again: The first link, rtsp://rx-wes-sea167.rbn.com/farm/*/mactv/mactv/demand/200604150930300k.rm opens some file, presumably the right one, in QT (default player for .rm, it seems) even though it's not http.
The second gives an error. not sure what that one does.
Anyway, there's your source file.
However, I get a message "unsupported transport" when QT opens it. It does scale to a small size (not default) and set the timebar at the bottom to a certain length, so it seems to have recognized some of it.
Furthermore, I can ONLY get it to open in QT, and it won't save to my harddrive with any browser using right click save as.
Ugly link.

However, even though this does appear to be fairly secure (I can't crack it, but i'm sure others can), it's a bad trade for using such a bad format.
Also, you surely don't have access to a server that will let you use rtsp:// and such. heh.

[jasm]

djr33 many thanks for your detailed reply.

Yes, I believe the TV station must be able to protect their video file, otherwise viewers can easily download all the video files. That's what I thought of trying to achieve with WMV file too:rolleyes:

I wonder if anyone know how?

I hope to retain WMV format because it would be too tedious to convert all. I have a total of almost 200 wmv files on my site.

I will check if "rtsp://" is supported.

EDIT: A google check on "rtsp://" shows that it is for RM file. It would not be applicable if I am retaining the WMV format.

[djr33]

Yes, I believe the TV station must be able to protect their video file, otherwise viewers can easily download all the video files. That's what I thought of trying to achieve with WMV file too
Umm... still not protected. It's not possible to stop people from having access while still letting them view it. Really. Believe this. You can make it hard, but not impossible.

WMV may work... don't like that format too much msyelf, but it's pretty good for compression and compatible with all (ONLY) PCs.... so... pretty good.

I'm not suggesting that rtsp:// would be supported... I think it might be an entirely different server... or, eh, i dunno. I have no clue what that means.

I suppose you can have ftp:// and http:// among other things, so that would probly mean you can use rtsp:// and whatever else as well, but I wouldn't have any idea as to how you'd set that up.
And... you'd need a LOT of knowledge of RM before trying that... remember, you had to ask us to find the url for you... that's nothing compared to coding it yourself.
I don't think it's worth pursuing the rtsp:// or RM thing at all. Your choice though.

[jasm]

Thanks a lot, djr33.
It would achieve my goal if it is not easy for one to download the file.
I hope to retain the WMV format and rtsp:// would not be applicable.

For WMV file, may I know if anyone know how to set the format similar to the RM so that the file cannot be easily accessible and saved to one's computer? I have to leave for the moment now and will be back in 6/7 hrs time.

[jscheuer1]

The tool to use is copyright. Incidental copying is no real problem unless you are selling your content. In which case, you should only make low quality example clips or short high quality preview clips available online. If you have original material of merit, it is protected by copyright law and you can sue if your rights are violated.

[djr33]

True.

I really don't know how you'd go about protecting it.

You can, if you want, make it hard to download. That's fine. Google it... buy some microsoft product that does it for you, whatever.


However, this is VERY important:
1. The people who can still download it will be the ones who would abuse it 'cause they are 'hackers', and would most likely not go to that much trouble unless they had a reason.
2. The people who can't download would just be sad and want to save your clip so they don't have to stream. They wouldn't know how, would be confused, and maybe dissapointed.

See... you still have the bad guys doing bad stuff, but you just don't let the good guys download too...

But... it can be helpful, and the above explanation isn't perfect.... it would still limit the random people who'd want to download it who you don't want to... but... wait... why is this? :)

[jasm]

Thanks a lot, Professor Jscheuer1 and djr33.

The video files that I put up are only meant for viewing and not supposed to be downloaded. They are the selected clips of a renowned taiwanese opera actress past 20 years performances. As most of the video clips were provided by the much senior fans of hers and also copyrighted, I need to have enough security measure to prevent other people from downloading the files before putting up for public viewing.

What should I do now?:confused:

[jasm]

I have found that I can save the file as "mms......asf". Such a format will not allow one to save the video file direct to hard disk without using a software program. I am now checking on how I can save the file as such.

[Twey]

I'm not suggesting that rtsp:// would be supported... I think it might be an entirely different server... or, eh, i dunno. I have no clue what that means.You're right. I have no idea what it, specifically, is either, but it's a seperate protocol meaning that it would use a completely different server (program, not necessarily a different machine) to the one serving via HTTP.
I have found that I can save the file as "mms......asf". Such a format will not allow one to save the video file direct to hard disk without using a software program. I am now checking on how I can save the file as such.A recent UserFriendly comic (http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060416) (damn, I love those :D) illustrates the point perfectly. When you start trying to "protect" software and content, it's always the good guys who suffer. For example, I have a perfectly legal copy of the game FarCry, by Crytek and Ubisoft. Due to some amazingly clever copy protection, I can't play this game (using a Windows emulation layer) without first cracking it so it doesn't need the DVD. However, there is currently no such crack available for the latest patch. So, I'm stuck a version behind everyone else (unless I want to set about creating one, which doesn't exactly send me into throes of delighted excitement). Of course, I can copy the DVD just fine.
If you set this up, I will show you how easily it can be bypassed by anyone who knows what they're doing. As djr33 said above, anyone who doesn't know what they're doing is probably going to be a legitimate user.

[jasm]

Thanks to you, Professor Twey, for your kind input.
The video file that I am putting is only for viewing and not meant for downloading.
CNN and other TV stations around the world puts newscasts/program on video and it's not easy, if not possible, to download the video file to one's computer hard disk. That's what I thought of achieving. I have confirmed that my server can support MMS://. Too tired last night to follow through. Hope to get it tested out by today.

[Twey]

I have confirmed that my server can support MMS://.But that doesn't mean the client will.
CNN and other TV stations around the world puts newscasts/program on video and it's not easy, if not possible, to download the video file to one's computer hard disk.It most certainly is easy.
The video file that I am putting is only for viewing and not meant for downloading. To view a file, the client must first download it. In the case of the web browser, it will download it and store it in memory or in a temporary directory on the hard disk, but it's still been downloaded. You cannot affect what happens to it after it's downloaded; you can't even tell whether it's then going to be saved to a file or viewed in a browser plugin.

[jasm]

Thanks again, Professor Twey.
I thought of trying out one file saving as "MMS" and see if other fans can view the clip before proceeding with others.

Sorry, I meant "saving the video file to the computer" instead of "downloading".

To a computer expert, maybe it is easy to figure out how to capture the stream/video file of CNN, but to most of us, it is not. I reckon you would need a software, right?

[Twey]

I thought of trying out one file saving as "MMS" and see if other fans can view the clip before proceeding with others.Setting up an MMS server would not be so easy as simply saving a file in the correct format.
Sorry, I meant "saving the video file to the computer" instead of "downloading".Same thing, unless you meant to the hard drive, in which case it's usually the same thing, but on rare occasions not.
To a computer expert, maybe it is easy to figure out how to capture the stream/video file of CNN, but to most of us, it is not.A computer expert? Someone who knows the required bit of HTML and possibly Javascript to find the URI in the code is hardly a "computer expert."
I reckon you would need a software, right?Certainly not. Ordinary tools that come bundled with most operating systems will do the trick fine: a web browser, a download manager. Telnet, if it comes to that.

[jasm]

Professor Twey, would appreciate if you could check whether there are ways to save the video file below to the computer hard disk now? I hope to close any loophole before proceeding. Thanking you in advance. Cheers!
http://testing.freeownhost.com/1.htm

[Twey]

It's not a video file, but: http://testing.freeownhost.com/z3_wangbodong3.jpg
/EDIT: Oh, it is a video file. Microsoft WMV7 format. Causing your server to serve it with an incorrect MIME type will break it in anything except Internet Explorer, which thinks it knows better than the server and tries to second-guess the MIME type.
That page and the ones it leads to are broken in many ways.

Effective source of the pages:

http://testing.freeownhost.com/i_1_f_j_k/21.htm:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML>
<head>
<title> video </title>

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=big5">
<meta content="text/html; charset=big5" http_equiv="Content_Type">
<meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1476" name="GENERATOR">
</head>

<body bgcolor="black" onselectstart="event.returnValue=false" oncontextmenu="window.event.returnValue=false" ondragstart="window.event.returnValue=false">
("
<noframes>
<body>
<script type='text/javascript' src='http://ads.primeinteractive.net/adx.js'>
</script>
<script type='text/javascript' src='http://ads.primeinteractive.net/adlayer.php?what=zone:42&amp;layerstyle=simple&amp;align=right&amp;valign=top&amp;padding=2&amp;closetime=30&amp;padding=0&amp;shifth=0&amp;shiftv=0&amp;closebutton=t&amp;nobg=t&amp;noborder=t'>
</script>
</noframes>

<center>
<table border="1" bordercolor="#808080" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1">
<tbody>
<tr align="center">
<td bgcolor="#000000"> <object id="NSPlay" classid="CLSID:22D6F312-B0F6-11D0-94AB-0080C74C7E95" align="middle" height="320" width="360"> <param name="autoStart" value="0"> <param name="fileName" value=" http://testing.freeownhost.com/z3_wangbodong3.jpg"> <param name="BufferingTime" value="0"> <param name="CaptioningID" value=""> <param name="ShowControls" value="1"> <param name="ShowAudioControls" value="1"> <param name="ShowGotoBar" value="0"> <param name="ShowPositionControls" value="1"> <param name="ShowStatusBar" value="-1"> <param name="EnableContextMenu" value="0"> <embed src="" autosize="0" autostart="-1" animationatstart="1" baseurl="" clicktoplay="1" enablecontextmenu="0" enablepositioncontrols="0" enablefullscreencontrols="0" enabletracker="0" filename="" sendopenstatechangeevents="1" sendplaystatechangeevents="1" showcontrols="-1" showaudiocontrols="-1" showdisplay="0" showgotobar="0" showpositioncontrols="0" showstatusbar="0" showtracker="0" transparentatstart="-1" volume="2" windowlessvideo="0" height="240" width="320"> </object> </td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
/tr&gt; </center>


</body>
</html>
http://testing.freeownhost.com/1.htm:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0

Transitional//EN">
<HTML>
<head>
<script>
...
</script>
<title> </title>


<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=big5">

<meta content="text/html; charset=big5" http_equiv="Content_Type">
</head>

<body bgcolor="black" onselectstart="event.returnValue=false" oncontextmenu="window.event.returnValue=false" ondragstart="window.event.returnValue=false">

<p align="center">

<a href="javascript://" onclick="window.open('http://testing.freeownhost.com/i_1_f_j_k/21.htm','','menubar=no,status=yes,scrollbars=yes,top=200,left=200,toolbar=no,width=800,height=600')"> </a>

</p>

<p align="center">

<a href="javascript://" onclick="window.open('http://testing.freeownhost.com/i_1_f_j_k/21.htm','','menubar=no,status=yes,scrollbars=yes,top=200,left=200,toolbar=no,width=800,height=600')"> <img src="http://testing.freeownhost.com/video2.gif"> </a>

</p>


</body>
</html>
The video doesn't work in anything except IE; the pages won't work in any non-JS browsers; your markup is very deformed.

The task you are attempting is not possible; anything you try will cause problems to legitimate users. Give up.

[jasm]

It is a challenge for me trying to do so and I am not giving up.
It would serve my purpose if it is not easy for others to save the video file on the computer hard disk.

I have simplified the source code earlier for easy reference. I have now included the javascript that will enable fans with non IE browsers to view the video too. I have encrpted the source code because through trial and error in the past, I found out that all files of the web page with source code encrpted will not be saved onto the computer even if one choose the "save as webpage, complete (html)"

http://testing.freeownhost.com/1.htm

[Twey]

I timed myself this time; it took me one minute and seven seconds to save the file to disk, including download time.
I have encrpted the source code because through trial and error in the past, I found out that all files of the web page with source code encrpted will not be saved onto the computer even if one choose the "save as webpage, complete (html)"But what about the many downsides?
I have now included the javascript that will enable fans with non IE browsers to view the video too.Well no, you haven't. The embed tag, though it exists, looks like so:
<embed src="" autosize="0" autostart="-1" animationatstart="1" baseurl="" clicktoplay="1" enablecontextmenu="0" enablepositioncontrols="0" enablefullscreencontrols="0" enabletracker="0" filename="" sendopenstatechangeevents="1" sendplaystatechangeevents="1" showcontrols="-1" showaudiocontrols="-1" showdisplay="0" showgotobar="0" showpositioncontrols="0" showstatusbar="0" showtracker="0" transparentatstart="-1" volume="2" windowlessvideo="0" height="240" width="320">You see, you haven't actually specified a file to use.
It is a challenge for me trying to do so and I am not giving up. It is not a challenge, it is an impossibility.
It would serve my purpose if it is not easy for others to save the video file on the computer hard disk.It's better for it to be easily saved and easily viewed than for it to take a whole perhaps five minutes to be saved and be unviewable to a lot of people. That's all you're doing with all this source-code "encryption," MIME-type mangling and related misdeeds.

[jasm]

Professor Twey,
Thank you very much for responding to my query and taking the time to test it out, though disappointed with the outcome.
As mentioned earlier, the video files that I put up are only meant for viewing and not supposed to be downloaded. They were the selected clips of a renowned taiwanese opera actress past 20 years performances. As most of the video clips were provided by the much senior fans of hers and also copyrighted, I need to have enough security measure to prevent other people from downloading the files before putting up for public viewing.

[Twey]

[the files are] copyrighted, I need to have enough security measure to prevent other people from downloading the files before putting up for public viewing.That's all the security you need.

I confused "your" with "you're"! But I never do that!
I'm too young to be going senile! Aah!

[djr33]

As Twey said,

copyrighted...if they are, then making them not copiable is worthless. It's illegal, so let them get in trouble... don't make it insanely complex half-working code.

You can download the files from the pro companies.... no problem. Not hard. If they can't block downloads, certainly you, an individual, no matter how much you care or try or know, can't.


As such, here are some thoughts:

1. What's the downside to downloading?
a. You're not limiting the number of times it can be viewed nor are you planning to remove it after a certain amount of time. If they save, then it's not different than viewing through your site again except that they save download time which would be nice.
b. "because they sould send it around"... and save others download time. You are SHOWING people these clips... not hiding them from them. Sure, they could do bad things with it, but you can't stop that anyway.

2. Look at pro sources.
a. Even big names don't have foolproof sources. The best they do is, with lots of effort, make it confusing to find the real file through mazes of code... not hard to do, really. Just use layers of php, JS, etc etc. But...why?
b. The best example of a non-download company is google video. They use complex stuff on the net that you can't* download from, and make you install THEIR player for downloading the file to and playing... meaning you can download, but you can't use a normal player...
downsides to this:
i) your viewers need YOUR player.
ii) it would be complex to deal with the coding end.
iii) you need to MAKE YOUR OWN VIEWER. Intense!
*Even though you "can't", there are STILL ways around it. I haven't tried too much. Twey, maybe you know it's easy. I dunno.
c) there are programs like iTunes that protect the files with copyprotection and stuff... but that is complex, proprietary, certainly not open source due to security, and good luck coding that. It's also cracked all the time.

3. Some ideas for 'kinda hard to get the files from':
a) Light: embed the file into your page, with no download link/url visable. Easy enough. They must look in your source code to find the link. Odds are they won't, and, if they do, they could get around other measures if they really cared. This is incredibly easy to get around for someone experienced though.
b) Medium: use some JS/php, etc to make it unclear where the stuff is coming from. Again, fairly easy to figure out. Not worth the extra time from option (a).
c) High: Flash. Flash can use QT movies in it. Not wmv... sorry. Use flash to save each into a flash file. Then they could, I guess, download that flash file, but at least not edit it. Lots more work. Requies a plugin. Yeah.
Also, it is possible, though tricky, to decompile flash. And, you'd have to decompile and have flash installed.

I may be wrong here... but isn't WMV protected anyway? I don't know of any editors that like it... it's meant for distribution, not editing, so why not just let them have that file... it's pretty much worthless.


Basically... don't put your files out there if you don't want people to see/view/like/save/send them. Can't be stopped. Can be confused.. but no reason to make it too complex, as you can't make it impossible and it's just extra time on your part.

[jasm]

Many thanks to you, djr33, for your detailed explanation.

I have now taken the following simple measures.:
1) Change the wmv file manually to JPG. I do not need to re-download the file. The video file would be viewable on the web but saving the JPG file renders nothing.
2) Disable the right click on the webpage. In the past when the cursor moves to the WMP, the URL of the video can be seen. This I have successfully disabled too.
3) Make the page a popup one so that one cannot simply go to Menu bar "View - Source" to see the source code (of course, it's easy to crack this)
4) Encrpt the source code so that when the whole webpage is saved, only that webpage and not other files are saved.

I call it simple because I need only to save the source code on a doc and for every HTML page (almost 150 of them) of the relevant wmv files (almost 200 of them) that has to be changed to incoporate the new codes, I need only to make a few changes, then copy and paste.

[Twey]

(sigh)
1) is OK if you've made sure your server serves it with the correct Content-Type header despite the incorrect file extension (which I doubt you have). However, it won't protect the file. It would take a very stupid person to be fooled into thinking that the video file wouldn't work just because it has a different filename.
2) is generally harmless, but might irritate some people -- myself included -- who don't think that you, as a web designer, have the right to be disabling parts of their GUI. It's also a very pointless exercise, since the user can simply disable Javascript, or use Firefox and disallow scripts from disabling/replacing the context menu (option under "Content" then the "Advanced" button next to "Enable JavaScript").
3) Even you pointed out that this is incredibly easy to get past. I don't have popups; all new windows open as tabs, so I wouldn't even notice this.
4) is just plain offensive. You're utterly ruining your site in a goodly portion of browsers, drastically impacting its performance in others, and trying to destroy the mechanism by which budding web designers learn the most (the web was designed to be free and open; don't try to corrupt its ideals), all to obtain or cause in others a false sense of security about a few video files that are already far better protected by law anyway.

[jasm]

A few students were charged in court a few months ago for putting up MP3 songs on their website that were easily downloadable.

I am not a web designer, merely a fan who wishes to share online the selected clips of the taiwanese opera actress' past 20 years performances that other senior fans have contributed.

I have never studied/attended a computer course before and thus my computer knowledge is very very limited. All my knowledge comes from consulting professionals like you on the net and also through trials and errors.

I have since put up some video files on my site and so far have not heard of any fans claiming difficulty viewing the clips.


It would take a very stupid person to be fooled into thinking that the video file wouldn't work just because it has a different filename.
This is the URL of the "WMV converted to JPG" video file that I have reuploaded for your reference : http://testing.freeownhost.com/1.jpg
(will be deleted soon)
The video file can only be viewed online on a webpage but impossible for one to copy and save to one's computer. Even trying to view the JPG video file on my computer is not possible but can if I convert it back to wmv



<embed src="" baseurl="">

You see, you haven't actually specified a file to use..
I did not specify the file to use here but in another option code below because the webpage comes with a few clips for one to choose from.

Thank you very much for your input.

[djr33]

A few students were charged in court a few months ago for putting up MP3 songs on their website that were easily downloadable.
Duh. That's because they were illegally hosting them. The files weren't theirs and they were illegally distributing them. Also, even if you did stop people from SAVING them, you would STILL be distributing them... same legal result.


I am not a web designer, merely a fan who wishes to share online the selected clips of the taiwanese opera actress' past 20 years performances that other senior fans have contributed.
I have never studied/attended a computer course before and thus my computer knowledge is very very limited. All my knowledge comes from consulting professionals like you on the net and also through trials and errors.However, we ARE web designers... at least Twey is... I'm still very much learning this complex art. We've been over this countless times... I know it seems like there should be a way, but there isn't, and that's not an accident... 1- the web is supposed to be open source, as Twey says, and 2- there are people out there called "hackers"... that's what they do. Now, there are some "hackers" who hack banks. There are other "hackers" who get around disabled right click scripts. The point being... you can't stop someone from what they want to do if they're dedicated enough.
Try and err all you want, but, believe me, there is no secure way to do this. As I said above, even the big companies aren't able to only let people do certain things with their files. We'd all love that, but it's just not possible. And for good reason. Google comes the closest, but there are STILL ways around this.
For one thing, just like with images, video screencaptures could get around almost any security measures you have. Even if it just streams, it'll still go around it.
Plus, you may say that there are things like video memory that doesn't get screen captured, but then I'll point out, as something I checked out last time, that's only a PC thing. Macs will screencap anything, as far as I can tell.
Frame by frame screencaps could work, even. Then record outputted audio. You're done.



(will be deleted soon)grrr.... what's the issue with this? you post a link, and I check later that day, and I can't view it. how can we help if you won't let us see that stuff? A number of other links in the thread have gone down too. Your choice, but we can't do anything with the page that no longer exists.

What the heck is this "JPG video" anyway? I'm totally lost. I thought it was a Codec. Now its a file format? .jpg as a video? What? Please do put up an example.
Plus... it can be hacked. We'll show you. Fun game, really.



Again, just go with embedding the file in the page. Then people can't just save, can't just right click, can't just download. They need to find the url for themselves and find a way to save that link to their disc. If they do that, then there's pretty good chance they can also get around more secure measures. Really. It'll save you time to.

This is WHY copyright laws exist.

[Twey]

What the heck is this "JPG video" anyway? I'm totally lost. I thought it was a Codec. Now its a file format? .jpg as a video? What? Please do put up an example.It's actually a WMV version 7 video; s/he's just changed the extension and, inadvertantly, the MIME type it's served with.
However, we ARE web designers... at least Twey is...Just an amateur of professional standard. :) Well, considerably above professional standard, actually, seeing some of the excuses for "professionally designed" sites out there.
2- there are people out there called "hackers"... that's what they do. Now, there are some "hackers" who hack banks. There are other "hackers" who get around disabled right click scripts.Actually, the correct term for somebody who makes a habit of bypassing security -- for whatever reason, though it tends to imply a nefarious purpose -- is "cracker." A "hacker" is merely somebody who enjoys playing with what goes on inside systems, although the former does tend to blur into the latter.
As I said above, even the big companies aren't able to only let people do certain things with their files. We'd all love that, but it's just not possible.No, we wouldn't. TCPA (http://www.againsttcpa.com/) is the latest scheme to do this (disregarding Sony's rootkit, which gave me a few laughs [the moreso because it only worked on Windows systems, and not even those if the users bothered to actually look at the contents of the CD rather than just autoplaying it]).

[djr33]

It's actually a WMV version 7 video; s/he's just changed the extension and, inadvertantly, the MIME type it's served with.
Ew. Bad plan, as you said above. Heh. But... still... what IS JPG video. I mean... it's been talked about from the beginning. Surely it's more than just messing with the file extension.... or is this "format" we've been talking about just a mask?


Just an amateur of professional standard. Well, considerably above professional standard, actually, seeing some of the excuses for "professionally designed" sites out there.Heh. And some of them come here for advice on the sites their being paid to design. ^_^

Hacker/Cracker, sure. Good to know.


No, we wouldn't.Well.... what I meant was that I'm sure we'd all love the option to control our sites/content more without annoying the viewer. In many cases, less 'security' is much better. In others, it would be nice to have some more control over stuff. But... yeah... I'm not pushing for a more restrictive format.
Just saying that from the creator's viewpoint, more control is good. From the viewers, it's bad. Therefore, it's not worth it unless I'm the only one who has it or whatever, which would be stupid anyway.... if you get what I mean.


Anyway... yeah.



And... for jpg video.... what's the plan for delivering it to the viewer? Once you 'decode' your complex 'naming it incorrectly' system, it's still just a normal wmv. Yeah?

[Twey]

But... still... what IS JPG video.There is no "JPG video." It's just WMV with a different extension.
And... for jpg video.... what's the plan for delivering it to the viewer?Embedding it. However, it'll fail in standards-compliant browsers, which will accept the server's image/jpeg MIME-type. Only IE will try to make judgements on the nature of the file, against standards, meaning that it will only work in IE.
Once you 'decode' your complex 'naming it incorrectly' system, it's still just a normal wmv. Yeah?Right.

[djr33]

There is no "JPG video." It's just WMV with a different extension.He said he was using "JPG video" earlier in the thread. He just meant a wrong extension on WMV? I thought it was actually a format. Nevermind, I guess. Weird idea... bad idea.. as you've said.
Anyway....
yeah.... don't do it.
You can just save after it's renamed correctly. Or get it from temp. int. files.