iOS6 'Do Not Disturb' bug - is one bad Apple rotting the whole barrel?

[Beverleyh]

Thought I was going loopy this morning when I stopped receiving phone calls: http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/01/02/apple-says-new-years-do-not-disturb-bug-will-fix-itself-jan-7

Me and my sister both have iPhone 4S running iOS6 and are both affected by the cheeky bug that keeps our devices "mooning" at us!

They say it will fix itself by the 7th but its blooming annoying! I got this phone to do the thinking for me! I dont want to have to tell it when to go to sleep and when to wake up! LOL

[keyboard]

The trick... is not to use Apple :D

[Beverleyh]

Is keebs being naughty with his software/device combos perchance? Hmmmm ;)

[keyboard]

As in Hackbooking or some such? :D
I'm not sure how thats related to my post :p
I was more saying... Don't use Apple... use Android or something instead? (Yes, I'm using Apple. Yes, I'm a hippocrit. No, I don't care. :D)


As to the topic, can't you just wait a couple of days? :p

[Beverleyh]

I will wait but I am British so I will do it while grumbling :D

[traq]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't remember ever seeing the number or severity of problems/complaints with iPhones (or any apple stuff) as there have been in the past few months. Yeah, there's always the "I'll buy anything that's shiny and made by Apple (http://www.theonion.com/video/apple-introduces-revolutionary-new-laptop-with-no,14299/)" grumbling, but it doesn't usually come from the loyal Apple users. My brother-in-law has been having email and photo sharing problems from day one with his iPhone 5.

[jscheuer1]

Is Apple the new Microsoft?

[keyboard]

In what way John?

[jscheuer1]

It's not a bug, it's a feature.

[bernie1227]

Any of you remember Alex Blackie? As in x96 studios? Regular coder? Was on here for a while?
Yeah, he was an apple fanboy but switched recently, just thought I might bring it up:
http://alexblackie.ca/2012/06/28/ubuntu.html

[traq]

It's not a bug, it's a feature.

that's just it - in this case, for example, they're admitting it's a bug but telling everyone to "be patient, it will go away by itself" ...?

They're not even pretending to fix it. While I agree that if it's going to "go away" by itself, then fixing it would probably be a waste of effort. It just doesn't seem like the "Apple" philosophy.

[Beverleyh]

Seems like a very non-Apple way of doing things. A complacent shrug. I hope these little niggles don't become too frequent.

[bernie1227]

Look, as far as I see it, if they make a big fuss about fixing it, everyone will know that there was a serious flaw in their hardware/software, however, if they just say, oh it's a momentary glitch, no-one will be tempted to think that Apple's screwed up royally.

Just sayin'

[Beverleyh]

Of course. It's just courting extra criticism because its deviating from the norm...

... 5 days and counting :)

[bernie1227]

Actually, come to think of it, if they knew for a fact that it's going to fix itself, wouldn't the best way be to send a discrete email to those who put up support tickets and the like and say something like, "we are aware of the problem and we will have fixed it by date x"?

[keyboard]

They're not doing a very good job of keeping it descreet... I just heard a report on the radio about it.
Berverly, they said that you can still manually turn it on or off?

[Beverleyh]

Yes, I can do that but its the annoyance of having to remember to do it (grumble). At least I'm still off work for the next few days so I'm not exactly getting caught short missing 'important' phone calls :)

[bernie1227]

Hmmmm, well once it's fixed, not a lot of people who didn't have the issue will remember it.

Are there any apple stores in Derbyshire? You can talk to the people at the genius bar and see what they say about it. In my experience, they're very helpful.

[bernie1227]

Oh yes, congratulations on 1,000 posts Beverly.

[jscheuer1]

It's not a bug, it's a feature.

that's just it - in this case, for example, they're admitting it's a bug but telling everyone to "be patient, it will go away by itself" ...?

They're not even pretending to fix it. While I agree that if it's going to "go away" by itself, then fixing it would probably be a waste of effort. It just doesn't seem like the "Apple" philosophy.

I meant, that kind of attitude - Don't bug us, we'll bug you . . .

[keyboard]

WOOT!!!
Nice work Beverley!!! 1000 posts!!!

[djr33]

Is Apple the new Microsoft? Yeah, something like that. Apple used to be better because it was small, reliable and generally high quality. Now it's still expensive and at best not much better than the competition. It's basically the effect of the iPod becoming so popular. It took a few years, but after that caught up with the company (around 5 years ago?), the whole thing started going downhill. I think the actual quality of Apple products has been steadily decreasing over time. They may still be better than the competition in some ways; but that's debatable. And they used to be significantly better.
A great example is Final Cut Pro and iMovie. Both used to be good programs. Now they've both been made more "user friendly" (read "worse and limited"), rather than actually improving them over time. But then if you want something, let's say the ability to work with HD video, you do need the new versions, and you can't just stick to the old ones that are actually better.

But then again, Microsoft is now competing for the worst design moves-- trying to eliminate the desktop entirely (that is, making it secondary to the new must-be-for-preschoolers layout), as if people really want to go back to the days of Windows 3.1 :p


(Edit: On the other hand, I think I'll be that guy at the retirement home grumpily rambling about "back in my day... computers were 2d and didn't connect to your brain!")

[Beverleyh]

Oh yes, congratulations on 1,000 posts Beverly.

WOOT!!!
Nice work Beverley!!! 1000 posts!!!Yey - thank you chaps :)

I'm finding it quite useful to check the DD forum first thing in the morning and last thing at night. Seeing the 'Do Not Distrub' thread in the Recent Posts block reminds me to change my iphone settings manually. The thread also reminds me to burp it too - LOL

There, there Diddums - it will be all better soon ;)

[djr33]

As much as I may complain about it (it's far from perfect) I'm still very happy with my iPhone 3GS. I could upgrade it, but I don't feel like it. It works fine.

[bernie1227]

If we reffered to iphone's as we do changelogs, I think it would go more like, 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc. than 1.0, 2.0, 3.0.

I only say this as as far as I can see in terms of differences is, little lighter, little thiner, little faster, and to the last one; little longer.

[djr33]

I disagree. It's redesigned each time. New hardware, a new "iOS", etc. That qualifies as a new "version" as far as I'm concerned. In the case of let's say Firefox (or Chrome), it's totally different-- the new-version-every-month system is absurd, and it's not even close to a new version because it's not redesigned. But the iPhone is, and that happens only once every year or two, so the timeframe is reasonable. I'm not sure what's going on with the "S" versions, though.

[Beverleyh]

I noticed another little glitch on my 4S last night. The 24hr clock setting had overridden the am/pm one that I originally had set before the new year. The slider switch indicated that the am/pm setting was in use though, but the clock was doing the 24hr thing. I slid the switch into 24hr mode then immediately back to am/pm and the glitch corrected itself so no harm done, but still a bit strange.

[jscheuer1]

Another 'feature'. It's trying to get you used to thinking in 24hr time. They should have something like that here in the states for the metric system. Although we use it many places, it still hasn't really caught on. You can't buy a liter of petrol in the states. It's still called gas and sold by the gallon.

Yeah I know, they have an app for that.

[djr33]

Although "petrol" sounds odd to me, I'd be happy to buy gas by the liter.

[bernie1227]

I disagree. It's redesigned each time. New hardware, a new "iOS", etc. That qualifies as a new "version" as far as I'm concerned.
I see what you mean, but I don't agree. IOS is independant of the devices besides releases to accompany devices and until you get to the nether-regions of unsupported devices. As to the design, where the changes are very prominent in IOS itself, xcode and the objective-c language, The devices usually have only 5 notable changes each version:
Better processor: The processor is improved, a case study being the most recent iphone having an A6 chip incorporated as opposed to the A5 of the 4 and the A5x of the mini.
Slightly thinner: The iphone 5 was 18% thinner if I remember correctly.
Slightly lighter: The iphone 5 was 20% lighter if I remember correctly.
Improved screen: The latest in the wave of screen updates is the retina screen which makes it 4x higher resolution than the latest ( I figure that from the point conversion by 4 to get the same amount of almost 'virtual' pixels).
Improved internet reception: In this case I'm talking about the LTE chip and the recent intergration of 4g.

And for the latest devices:

A new charging/data transfer port: I'm talking about the lightning port, as opposed to the old however-many-it-was-pin connector, basically making it just a bit smaller and currently prevents third partys from making chargers and cables for it.


As far as I see it, I wouldn't say that's so considerable in terms of changes between versions. Every now and then an iphone really does warrant a version change, particualry the iPhone 5.

TL;DR:] I'm not saying that there's no noticable changes between iPhone's, I'm saying that if we were talking about phones as we did software updates, we'd be saying 1.1, 1.2. Then again, I'm not saying that that's the same with all the iPhones, wuite a few iPhone's would warrant their own version numbers.

[djr33]

But what WOULD be considered a "new version"? I get what you're saying, but it seems unrealistic to me. If we take the example of let's say Adobe Photoshop, it's gone from about v5 through v7 then "CS1" (=8) through "CS6" (=13) or whatever it's on now, since I've been familiar with it (in about 13 years). That's roughly v5-v13, or 8 in 13 years, so one every year or two. (Plus many subversions including some semi-important ".5" updates.)
To me, that's how I judge a "version" of a program:
1) there's the rate factor-- it's about a year or more between versions, nothing crazy like Firefox. But not something like 10 years.
2) there's the compatibility factor-- the newer versions aren't backwards compatible and often require updating for new features. True for the iPhone (some apps) and Photoshop, but not for Firefox (at least not much).
3) there's the impact factor-- generally they seem like updates. However, the changes aren't hugely substantial as if you're buying a completely redesigned program. For Photoshop, the change from 7 to CS1 was major because it changed some aspects significantly; it was like a whole new product, perhaps entirely rewritten. But the other versions can still be "versions" I think. For example, you must pay again to get an upgrade but not when it's a minor version (maybe also you would pay for a .5 upgrade sometimes).

On the other hand, I find the version numbers for OSX-- they just want to call it all "10" so they pretend they're not OS11 and OS12, but they really are. (I could also rant/ramble about how they name them after stranger and stranger cats... but that's off topic... :D)

[bernie1227]

1) there's the rate factor-- it's about a year or more between versions, nothing crazy like Firefox. But not something like 10 years.

There's a difference between the rate that's viable to produce software than there is hardware as well as something on the scale of an operating system. If you think about it, Apple's going about as fast as they can produce this kind of thing.



2) there's the compatibility factor-- the newer versions aren't backwards compatible and often require updating for new features. True for the iPhone (some apps) and Photoshop, but not for Firefox (at least not much).

I'm a little confused with this one, you're saying that it has to be not backwards compatable in order to be a new version?


3) there's the impact factor-- generally they seem like updates. However, the changes aren't hugely substantial as if you're buying a completely redesigned program. For Photoshop, the change from 7 to CS1 was major because it changed some aspects significantly; it was like a whole new product, perhaps entirely rewritten. But the other versions can still be "versions" I think. For example, you must pay again to get an upgrade but not when it's a minor version (maybe also you would pay for a .5 upgrade sometimes).

Actually this is a good one, if no-one cares then it's not really a new version, it's just small update.


On the other hand, I find the version numbers for OSX-- they just want to call it all "10" so they pretend they're not OS11 and OS12, but they really are. (I could also rant/ramble about how they name them after stranger and stranger cats... but that's off topic... :D)
I have a picture from xkcd relating to this (as I do for everything).
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Yeah, I see what you're saying, what I'm talking about however, is that there us not that much difference between the versions then there are with something like internet explorer or microsoft windows.

[djr33]

There's a difference between the rate that's viable to produce software than there is hardware as well as something on the scale of an operating system. If you think about it, Apple's going about as fast as they can produce this kind of thing.Not really. I'm sure there are slight improvements as they release more phones (very small adjustments) and certainly many minor updates to the OS. Plus the "S" versions of the phones, which aren't called new versions (maybe reasonably so).
That is... I think they're going at a reasonable pace and naming the right new versions new versions.

Of course the people who think they absolutely must have each next iPhone are basically insane. That's a separate issue. But you find the same thing with updates to operating systems or software, and then you also have people still happily using Windows XP and so forth.


I'm a little confused with this one, you're saying that it has to be not backwards compatable in order to be a new version?That wasn't clear, you're right-- 'm referring to the opposite of backwards compatibility-- not that the upgrade can't handle old stuff, but that the old version can't handle the new stuff-- a full version upgrade usually makes the old version obsolete. For example, you can't really use Windows XP any more and get full functionality out of the newest computers/hardware and can't install all of the newest software. (It's still very usable, as is my iPhone 3GS, but there are some apps I can't install for example.)


Actually this is a good one, if no-one cares then it's not really a new version, it's just small update.Right. Like every version of Google Chrome ever produced. They're still actually on version 1. (They're just bad at counting!)


Yeah, I see what you're saying, what I'm talking about however, is that there us not that much difference between the versions then there are with something like internet explorer or microsoft windows.Only the latest versions of those-- IE 5-7 (those I'm familiar with) aren't very different. Admittedly 7 has a lot of compatibility fixes, but it looks the same as the others. And for Windows, it was more or less the same from 95-XP-ME-2000 (and I prefer it that way :p), with big changes in Vista, as sort of the transition model to 7 and 8.

And, although I don't care that much, some improvements on the phones are really significant. One is the retina display, which is MUCH better (well, at least higher resolution; it's still tiny so I don't see the point), and another is the much improved camera (which is worth it). Then the ability to do 4G as well. The size/shape changed a bit, and the OS is really tied to the phone, which has also been updated (but hasn't changed too much, in comparison), and it's only available for older phones just to keep the OS consistent for apps.



Haha, that cartoon is great. And it's true. Silly. Perhaps I should look into copyrighting some of those important cats, like creating an operating system named "Saber-tooth", which I can choose to sell to Apple, if they're willing to pay enough. (Or do they already own all cat-named OS names? Perhaps Wolf and so forth too? I'll grab the shark names while I'm at it-- OSXII.4 Hammerhead and OSXII.7 Great White, plus OSXII.9 Wobbegong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobbegong).) Should we make this a DD project/investment?

[bernie1227]

Not really. I'm sure there are slight improvements as they release more phones (very small adjustments) and certainly many minor updates to the OS. Plus the "S" versions of the phones, which aren't called new versions (maybe reasonably so).
That is... I think they're going at a reasonable pace and naming the right new versions new versions.

I'm sure it's harder to mass produce hardware than it is software.


Of course the people who think they absolutely must have each next iPhone are basically insane. That's a separate issue. But you find the same thing with updates to operating systems or software, and then you also have people still happily using Windows XP and so forth.

The only people who need every apple decice are IOS devs, to see if their app works on the latest platform.


Right. Like every version of Google Chrome ever produced. They're still actually on version 1. (They're just bad at counting!)

Ever heard of sorites paradox (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sorites-paradox/)?


Only the latest versions of those-- IE 5-7 (those I'm familiar with) aren't very different. Admittedly 7 has a lot of compatibility fixes, but it looks the same as the others. And for Windows, it was more or less the same from 95-XP-ME-2000 (and I prefer it that way :p), with big changes in Vista, as sort of the transition model to 7 and 8.

However, there's more difference, time and hype between/about each new one than iPhones.


and the OS is really tied to the phone, which has also been updated (but hasn't changed too much, in comparison), and it's only available for older phones just to keep the OS consistent for apps.

I disagree here, I think the biggest change has been in IOS, even if you don't see a lot of the changes.



Haha, that cartoon is great. And it's true. Silly. Perhaps I should look into copyrighting some of those important cats, like creating an operating system named "Saber-tooth", which I can choose to sell to Apple, if they're willing to pay enough. (Or do they already own all cat-named OS names? Perhaps Wolf and so forth too? I'll grab the shark names while I'm at it-- OSXII.4 Hammerhead and OSXII.7 Great White, plus OSXII.9 Wobbegong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wobbegong).) Should we make this a DD project/investment?
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Of course, if you were to copyright the actual names, marine biologists wouldn't be able to call them that :p Same thing with when Disney attempted unsuccesfully to copyright the name of whatever SEAL team it was that eventually got bin laden, which would mean that the US army would not be allowed to call that SEAL team that, so it would effectively no longer exist. Of course I get that you meant copyrighting OS names, but you'd have the problem that OS X is copyrighted by apple, so you'd have to buy it oof them before selling it back to them at a cheaper price. Not a good investment if you ask me :p

[djr33]

The only people who need every apple decice are IOS devs, to see if their app works on the latest platform.Depends on your definition of "need". Some Apple-obsessed people (who wouldn't know the difference from an off-brand product except for the Apple logo) would claim they "need" them ;)


Ever heard of sorites paradox?Hm, interesting. But the catch here is that I don't really think it's on to the next version yet. More importantly, there's no rule that says subversions can add up to significant changes, if it's all gradual. A new release should be a jump, with new features that make it worth more than the last subversion of the previous one. My perspective on it at least.


Of course, if you were to copyright the actual names, marine biologists wouldn't be able to call them that Same thing with when Disney attempted unsuccesfully to copyright the name of whatever SEAL team it was that eventually got bin laden, which would mean that the US army would not be allowed to call that SEAL team that, so it would effectively no longer exist. Of course I get that you meant copyrighting OS names, but you'd have the problem that OS X is copyrighted by apple, so you'd have to buy it oof them before selling it back to them at a cheaper price. Not a good investment if you ask me Well, I meant for a computer operating system. If I create an operating system (yes, even a bad one) and call it "Bobcat", then I could sue Apple if they ever use the same name for their operating system. I wouldn't use "OSX" in the title, but they couldn't, for example, call something "OSX 10.8 Windows", since Microsoft owns that name as applied to operating systems. Likewise if I create "Bobcat" they can't use that. (Someone should have done that with Lion; it was obviously coming. At this point I have no idea what's coming next, though. Perhaps Tabby.)

[There are rules about "inevitable discovery" so perhaps that argument could be made-- Apple is so obsessed with cats they'd eventually find "Bobcat" :p]

[bernie1227]

Depends on your definition of "need". Some Apple-obsessed people (who wouldn't know the difference from an off-brand product except for the Apple logo) would claim they "need" them ;)

Economics 101: There is a different between needs and wants.


Hm, interesting. But the catch here is that I don't really think it's on to the next version yet. More importantly, there's no rule that says subversions can add up to significant changes, if it's all gradual. A new release should be a jump, with new features that make it worth more than the last subversion of the previous one. My perspective on it at least.

Just because there are significant changes, doesn't mean it's a new version, it just means that there have been significant changes between now and the start of chrome's innings ;)


Well, I meant for a computer operating system. If I create an operating system (yes, even a bad one) and call it "Bobcat", then I could sue Apple if they ever use the same name for their operating system. I wouldn't use "OSX" in the title, but they couldn't, for example, call something "OSX 10.8 Windows", since Microsoft owns that name as applied to operating systems. Likewise if I create "Bobcat" they can't use that. (Someone should have done that with Lion; it was obviously coming. At this point I have no idea what's coming next, though. Perhaps Tabby.)

[There are rules about "inevitable discovery" so perhaps that argument could be made-- Apple is so obsessed with cats they'd eventually find "Bobcat" :p]
How about we slap a copyright on "Lynx"? That sounds the most likely to me :)

[djr33]

Economics 101: There is a different between needs and wants.But they'd still disagree. They needs their precious Apples-es!


Just because there are significant changes, doesn't mean it's a new version, it just means that there have been significant changes between now and the start of chrome's innings Isn't that what I said? :p


How about we slap a copyright on "Lynx"? That sounds the most likely to me Perhaps, but there's already the browser Lynx, and the competing OS Linux, and Microsoft Linc, so I think they might avoid that confusion.

[bernie1227]

But they'd still disagree. They needs their precious Apples-es!

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Isn't that what I said? :p

probably :P


Perhaps, but there's already the browser Lynx, and the competing OS Linux, and Microsoft Linc, so I think they might avoid that confusion.
OS X common-garden-cat?

[djr33]

I know! OSXI Kitten.

[jscheuer1]

What about Chartreux or Bombay?

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cat_breeds

Wirehair would perhaps be apropos.

[molendijk]

The world would be a better place without iPhone? Just a question. I don't know, 'cause I don't have one.

[bernie1227]

I wouldn't say that, they are exceedingly helpful. Why do you think the world would be better without them?

[molendijk]

Why do you think the world would be better without them?
Sorry for the misunderstanding. That wasn't an affirmation, but a question. (But I must admit I am a bit afraid of complicated things that tend to provoke frustration).

[djr33]

It might indeed be a better place.

But as someone with an iPhone, I find myself actively missing it much of the time when I don't have it and my email and the internet are not in my pocket! (For example, while traveling I have my phone but it's not connected to any service due to excessive roaming charges or even incompatible international networks-- the whole country of Ecuador for example; and this is a very problematic state, I assure you.... I'm disconnected!!)


Now if you mean that there might be some other kind of smart phone out there that is better than the iPhone and should permanently replace it.... that's probably true. I'm very happy with what the iPhone does, and I've adjusted to it. But I don't think it's necessarily the best of what it could be, probably not even close. I don't use other phones much (and they tend to confuse me... all so counter-intuitive, especially the iPhone until you get used to it), so I can't compare.

[molendijk]

It might indeed be a better place...I'm disconnected!!.
Yes, that was in the back of my mind when I posed the question about a better world withour iPhone. HELP, I'M DISCONNECTED! The desire for being connected has certain similarities with the desire for smoking tobacco, for drinking alcool, in the sense that people feel unconfortable if there's no tobacco, alcool or 'connection' around.
(Of course, I'm the last person to criticize iPhone-dependency, because I'm a smoker - of ordinary tobacco. But iPhone-users shoudn't judge me on that, of course:)).

[jscheuer1]

I'm hooked on tobacco and connectivity, to name two. I try (not always successfully) not to judge others on their addictions and don't like it when I feel judged by others due to mine. I heard a feature on one of my local Public Radio stations (we have three here) about the connectivity addiction. There are now places you can go for rehab. No phones of any kind, no TV or computers either. Sounds really scary to me, while at the same time tempting. It would be nice to not need all that, or to just get away from it for a few days. I'd be fine without a phone. I'm one of the few people left without any sort of cell phone and I rarely use my land line. I'd miss that though because I use it for regular visits with my sister on the other coast and it comes in handy for appointments, etc. And Skype (a sort of phone) is very important to me. I spend more (though not much more) time on it than the phone.

[bernie1227]

Look, I think increased connectivity is a good thing at the stage it is now and as it is presented by the iPhone. There is of course a limit of how connected you should be, at which point it turns into an addiction and you should probably go to one of the places John mentioned, however, I think connectivity is a good thing.

[Beverleyh]

Yey - thank you chaps :)

I'm finding it quite useful to check the DD forum first thing in the morning and last thing at night. Seeing the 'Do Not Distrub' thread in the Recent Posts block reminds me to change my iphone settings manually. The thread also reminds me to burp it too - LOL

There, there Diddums - it will be all better soon ;)Well, it's now the 8th and 'Diddums' is still on the blinking blink!!!

[jscheuer1]

Whois: "Diddums"?

[Beverleyh]

Diddums is what I'm calling the iPhone until it can wake itself up from 'Do Not Disturb' mode again ;)

It's still being affected by the bug even though Apple said things would fix themselves after the 7th

[jscheuer1]

Maybe they meant after the 7th in the states, get that 24hr clock working again. :) But it's the 8th here now, so . . . but still fairly early on the West Coast.

[Beverleyh]

Ha, ha

You know, I haven't done the obvious yet either....

I haven't turned it off and back on again....

[Beverleyh]

Yey!!!!! Back in business!

Switched it off and on again, and at 11pm (10 mins ago) it went to sleep without being told to.

Oh, happy day! :D

[molendijk]

I'm a very bad sleeper, so I wish I were a Diddum.

[djr33]

Haha, well, it took me a few days to figure out how to turn my iPhone off. At first I was convinced there simply was no off button... it was Apple... immortal (as long as it was charged). I found that odd.
Then I figured out to hold down the button for a long time. And it let me turn it off!

(Note: this is just what your comments reminded me of; that was a few years ago, when I first got it. My phone hasn't been misbehaving because it's an old one and because it's still the old OS. Perhaps I should update it; but then things like this would happen!)

[bernie1227]

With the turning off, most people realise after the first few times of turning their apple products off and on, that you're not really meant to turn them off, just put them to sleep.

[djr33]

It's a conspiracy, you see. With the iPhone 8, they will begin to invade our brains and use us as distributed supercomputers to process Apple corporate plans to take over the world! Of course if we turn the phones off, that would limit their taking-over-the-world-able-ness.

[bernie1227]

Clearly, it's obvious to see that they're artificially making it take longer to turn them on and off. We should try and get this in the press, the FT, the Guardian, they whole lot. Right after they admit Watergate was an alien conspiracy.

The people have a right to know!

[djr33]

You're right about it taking a while to turn on or off... that's always confused me.

[bernie1227]

It's not like turning off a pc, with apple products, it's full systems shutdown. They're designed to be put to sleep, so they don't bother making turning on faster. Plus, it's a full OS to load, so it would be hard to do it in a 9.58 sprint.


You're right about it taking a while to turn on or off..
You're saying the part about the Watergate is wrong? o.O

[djr33]

You're saying the part about the Watergate is wrong? o.O Shh..... they might be listening!

[bernie1227]

Apple might be on to us!