On the moon?

[molendijk]

There are persistant rumours that the Americans never landed on the moon, that it was all faked. Personnaly, I think they landed on the moon. But does anyone have proof they actually were there? I mean, with today's technology, you can make anything seem realistic.
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Arie.

[djr33]

Conspiracies are usually limited to a few individuals. I find it unreasonable to think that such a large scale event (repeated event for that matter) was faked.... just think of the number of operators in the control room, or even for that matter the number of astronauts.

Furthermore, it is proven that people have gone into space, or at least gone really really high.... the spacecraft have left the distance the human eye can view. Satellites are proven as well, so something has entered space. Following from this, what possible motivation would anyone have to fake something that really isn't that much harder to do than to go up into space in the first place?

People deny the holocaust as well.

//shrug

[jscheuer1]

We've been to the moon, and I have the green cheese to prove it. :rolleyes: yum!

[magicyte]

green cheese to prove it.

GREEN? I thought that the moon was made of white cheese, cuz it can't get moldy or anything cuz nothing can live there (germs, specifically). Though I sure would like to taste some of it. Hold it, since the moon has no protection from radiation, wouldn't it have melted already? And I have ANOTHER question: why use cows 4 cheese if the moon can supply us w/ a, say, 2 year supply?! Man, NASA's jacked!!

;) j/k, of course...

-magicyte

[Nile]

We need the moon, the moon can't reproduce cheese. Cows can.

[jscheuer1]

Moo! (n)

[Nile]

Lol:


moo(n) {
alert(moo.arguments[0]);
}('Moon!');

Correct version:


(function(){
alert(arguments[0]);
}('Moon!'));

[magicyte]

We need the moon

Why do we need the moon? By the way, it really is stupid to eat the moon if it WAS made out of cheese...

-magicyte

[Schmoopy]

Well I guess we don't need the moon, but without the moon there would be no tides and no hydro electric power :eek:

[Snookerman]

Why do we need the moon?
Of the back, causes tides and regulates the climate, so really important! Geez, I love the moon..

[magicyte]

@ Snookerman:

Oh. Hey, maybe the moon's responsible 4 global warming! :D:D:D j/k

-magicyte

[molendijk]

One question, though, about a possible fake landing on the moon. Why haven't we been back to the moon in so many years, despite the fact that we improved our space-technology so much? (I'm playing the devil's advocate).
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Arie.

[Schmoopy]

Cows are responsible for global warming :)

[Nile]

I don't take global warming as funny - and the moon doesn't cause it.

It's caused by ignorant people that don't give a damn about the future, about the earth, and about the universe. People that throw trash out of cars and buses - and laugh, people that see a piece of garbage on the ground and just walk by, people that let the shower running for 10 minutes before they get in even though that in the modern day technology it takes about 30 seconds. People that leave their car running while they go inside a building and stay to talk for 10 minutes. People cause global warming, not cows. Hair spray causes global warming, although most the chemicals that do have been banned, not cows.

[jscheuer1]

The moon is our 'local' compliment to the sun. Without either, there would be an incredible imbalance, the world would likely cease to exist. Without the sun, this is easy to imagine. The moon less so. However, if thought of only in terms of a counterweight to orbital motion . . . without the moon the gravitational forces in our local area of space would be so affected that it would likely be catastrophic for life here, perhaps even rip apart the planet.

Global warming on the other hand is like the bird flu or killer bees. This is not to say that we should be polluting or squandering our energy resources in a non-sustainable way, that stuff is just stupid.

[Schmoopy]

I don't take global warming as funny - and the moon doesn't cause it.

It's caused by ignorant people that don't give a damn about the future, about the earth, and about the universe. People that throw trash out of cars and buses - and laugh, people that see a piece of garbage on the ground and just walk by, people that let the shower running for 10 minutes before they get in even though that in the modern day technology it takes about 30 seconds. People that leave their car running while they go inside a building and stay to talk for 10 minutes. People cause global warming, not cows. Hair spray causes global warming, although most the chemicals that do have been banned, not cows.

Ok I half agree, I was joking - It is stupid when people are careless with things, like leaving the taps on / lights etc...

But I most certainly do not agree that people cause global warming, as has been tested in many experiments, cows do actually produce quite a lot of methane, but that's not really the point. If you look back in time - a long way back, you'll see that there were ice ages before humans even came into existence, and that these ice ages were in direct correlation with sun spots. Isn't it slightly bizarre that global warming suddenly comes around and everyone's suddenly saying "Humans are to blame, we need to start being more responsible". I think people are just looking for someone to blame, and they can't explain it for themselves so they go along with whatever that other guy said, let's all say we cause global warming... It's just easier for them to do so.

Since humans weren't around when those ice ages occurred it is obvious to me that we are not the ones responsible and it is simply nature taking its toll, sure humans may add a little to the overall global warming effect but reducing emmissions and the like will never stop something that is inevitable, it's harsh but true.

[Nile]

One form of global warming is when a chemical is lighter than air and floats up the the o-zone. It then destroys and makes a whole. The o-zone does restore is self, though slowly.

[magicyte]

Why can't a bunch of scientists just electrify air to make ozone? Then we can fly up there and let the ozone make a layer. I've seen a program on tv on this, but it may not be possible.

By the way, I am in favor of NO GLOBAL WARMING in all forms except for violence :D. Cows do cause a little bit, considering that there are many all over the earth outside, and they emit methane (from either their rear ends or their poo) which is a bad chemical which 'kills' ozone.

-magicyte

[Nile]

Sure, I'm sure they'll figure out how to do it. [/sarcasm]

[djr33]

We haven't gone back to the moon because it's stupid. It's man's way of imprinting his foot on yet another place it has no particular business being, just for the sake of doing it (and spending way too much doing so).
I fully support not going back*, especially considering financial issues.... what's the point?
(*At least for a while... til there's some particular reason. We've more than proved we can.)

On the other hand, it's good we went... it proves it exists... or something like that. And I guess we have some samples of the minerals. Good for science. But beyond that, and some fun with golfing.... nothing gained.

The only real benefit of space exploration at this point (by man, anyway, obviously satellites of various sorts are helpful for various technologies, research, etc.) is figuring out how to get us somewhere else once this planet dies, if that is indeed possible. At the rate we're going, it seems the human race will need another planet to scavenge for sustenance. (Or we could just stop messing this one up and not worry about it.)

[Snookerman]

We haven't gone back to the moon because it's stupid. [...] what's the point? [...] nothing gained [...] The only real benefit of space exploration at this point [...] is figuring out how to get us somewhere else once this planet dies
That could not be further away from the truth, going to the moon and exploring space has been really beneficial for us. Because of the low gravity on the moon (and zero gravity in space), the special conditions (longer days, no disturbance from earth since the moon acts as a filter) and several other reasons we have been able to do experiments that we could never have done here on earth and answer many important questions, improve many technologies that are necessary for us, develop many medicines that have saved so many lives, etc. etc. By going back to the moon, we can build bases that will allow us to launch spacecrafts requiring much less energy because of the low gravity on the moon compared to the earth. These are just a few of the several reasons why space exploration is important and why going back to the moon is not only necessary but inevitable. Also, think about all the green/white/molten cheese we can get back for people who like cheese (I hate cheese)..

[djr33]

I said that if there was a reason in the future, fine, such as the spacecraft base idea.
But what we've done so far on the moon is rather insignificant. In space, yes, but on the moon the only thing I know about is golf. Perhaps some experiments, but certainly not enough that another voyage is warranted at this time.

[Snookerman]

But what we've done so far on the moon is rather insignificant. In space, yes, but on the moon the only thing I know about is golf.
Well just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Google around and you'll find heaps of stuff:
http://www.google.com/ (http://www.google.com/)

[jscheuer1]

Well, yes - there is golf. There are also rocks (often referred to as moon rocks - indispensable in the manufacture of mood rings), Velcro, tango, Marlon Brando . . . the list goes on.

[Dirt_Diver]

The Mythbusters have proven that the moon landing was all real.

I can't find it but you are more than welcome to look through this thread.

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9401967776/m/7051966189/p/1

[djr33]

Snookerman, google can be misleading-- http://google.com/search?q=drdino :)

[Snookerman]

@Dirt_Diver - I wonder if the Mythbusters looked carefully at this photo:

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/1-22-09/psi_liloquy.jpg

@djr33 - Don't know who/what drdino is, sorry.

[jscheuer1]

Is that a glass of Tang, or of orange juice over near the spacecraft?

[Schmoopy]

@Dirt_Diver - I wonder if the Mythbusters looked carefully at this photo:

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/1-22-09/psi_liloquy.jpg

@djr33 - Don't know who/what drdino is, sorry.

Lol, good one :D

[Dirt_Diver]

LOL photoshop is great.

[Nile]

@Dirt_Diver - I wonder if the Mythbusters looked carefully at this photo:

http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/1-22-09/psi_liloquy.jpg

@djr33 - Don't know who/what drdino is, sorry.

Took me a while. Hilarious. ;)

[djr33]

Snookerman, you missed my joke, but it wasn't important. I was just saying that not everything you read on google is all that valid-- take a look at any of the major results from that search. ///irrelevant to discussion

[Snookerman]

:D I got that and I agree, I just didn't know which results were irrelevant since I don't know about drdino.

[djr33]

Well, the "real Dr. Dino" is the one linked in the first result. However, clearly that information is at the least questionable, and so I'm just saying google is great for finding stuff, but it doesn't do anything to tell you if what you find will be verified-- much like you can search for "moon conspiracy" and find results and that you can find "disprove moon conspiracy"--- it's a source of information, but not a validator of that information.

[Snookerman]

it's a source of information, but not a validator of that information.
Yes, but isn't that the case with all sources? One always has to be critical since no source is 100% reliable.

[Kids Craft Zone]

People have too much time on their hands to challenge stuff. I think we landed on the moon!

[Schmoopy]

The thing is with controversial topics like this one is - No one actually knows, you can debate / argue all you want. At the end of the day people will have their own opinions on what really happened. Although it might be good to hear other people's points of view it only shows that you do not hold your belief firmly and so need to try and influence others to try and get more people on your side... Just my thoughts on the topic.

[djr33]

Aside from the annoyance of having been lied to, it wouldn't really matter to me if the whole thing was a lie. As said above, people have too much time on their hands (and I don't). :)
I think we did. If we didn't? ok...