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james438
09-15-2008, 05:19 PM
Just curious. If a person wanted to become a professional webdesigner, what coding knowledge/skills should the person have?

Moshambi
09-15-2008, 05:24 PM
i think it really just depends on the job. A lot of the jobs i have looked at online seem to require these:

HTML/XHTML
CSS
Javascript
Serverside Scripting Language (PHP, ASP, etc.)
Photoshop skills

and I have also seen some that would like you to know AJAX. Like i said before though i think it really just depends on the job or the company you are looking to work for. Hope this gives you a little bit of an idea though.

james438
09-15-2008, 05:36 PM
yes, it does thanks. I was just curious. I have no intention of becoming a webdesigner, but I do enjoy it as a hobby.

boogyman
09-15-2008, 05:37 PM
AJAX is javascript

I know of a couple of good and non-scam websites that offer listings if you would like them send me a PM, since advertising is not allowed in a post

at the very least, you can see what requirements are necessary in the listings

james438
09-15-2008, 08:31 PM
I am not so sure that that would be considered advertising. I have posted links on occasion to other sites that I thought were helpful or to an article that would be more thorough on a subject than would be prudent to post in depth here.

I have even posted a link to a page from my own site once or twice when I thought it would be helpful. Actually, I almost didn't but Twey(?) mentioned that it would not be a problem so long as I was not spamming or trying to promote myself. That is certainly the case since I am always so self conscious about my own work that I prefer not to advertise.

Medyman
09-16-2008, 02:02 AM
That term is kind of vague in interpretation. To some web designer equates to all everything from a designer to a developer to an information architect.

This probably stems from the fact that one person usually fulfills all of those roles (knowingly or not) on smaller projects.

I run a small-mid sized web design/development firm. We break down the tasks of our designers even further by having specialists in front-end development as well as design. Everyone MUST have intermediate to advanced understanding of HTML/XHTML and CSS. You could be an amazing graphic designer but you should know what the limitations and possibilities are when moving that design to the web. Front-end developers would be required to have more knowledge of JS and AJAX.

I would have to disagree w/ the previous poster that a knowledge of server-side scripting is necessary. If you want to be strictly a designer and know PHP/ASP etc..., more power to you. But, it's not required. Of course, this all assumes that you're differentiating between "designer" and "developer".

TheJoshMan
09-16-2008, 02:07 AM
I have to agree with medyman on this one.

A "designer" should technically be geared more towards the design aspect of the process. However, he/she should have a working knowledge of HTML/(X)HTML and CSS due to the fact that not everything you design in photoshop is realistically feasible when turning your "image" into a website.

boogyman
09-17-2008, 03:39 PM
One problem with people who work in the computer industry is that there has not been a set of job titles defined. This post is case and point as to what different people constitute as different titles.

Another problem is that website "developers" as I will call them here as a generic term, are not thought of as real programmers by the computing industry, and outside of the computer industry many people believe that "developers" write both hardware and software (both website specific and offline capable). Part of this is due to the fact that in the timeline of life (millions and billions of years), computers and everything that deals with them are really still in their infancy.

Now since we are getting off track to the original question of what someone needs to know to be a "web professional", a couple of websites that offer listings of what clients are asking for and the skills necessary are as follows: These sites are all confirmed non-scam sites.

authenticjobs.com (http://authenticjobs.com)
This site is run by a well renowned expert named Cameron Moll. He is a CSS guru and through the page you can visit his personal blog and his credentials.

Freelance.com (http://freelance.com)
This site has been running since 1996 and is primarily based out of Europe.

Twey
09-17-2008, 04:01 PM
I know of a couple of good and non-scam websites that offer listings if you would like them send me a PM, since advertising is not allowed in a postAye, this doesn't count as advertising.

Mainly, designers fall down on the technical side of things. 'Web designers' tend to be artists, which means they design very snazzy-looking sites, put them up, and display them proudly to the world as an artform, but lack an understanding of the technologies involved, which means that, unbeknownst to them, their sites are completely inaccessible and use ancient, crippled technologies and methodologies.