Google Chrome

[Medyman]

Introducing (http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2008-09-02-n72.html) Google (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/fresh-take-on-browser.html) Chrome (http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/index.html)....
Thoughts?

It's supposed to be available for download sometime today.

[mburt]

Google is definitely capable of making something worthy of today's standards... Hopefully it will live up to Google's reputation.

[boogyman]

I am getting a laugh out of the comic book style "features" declaration

[mburt]

Haha... Somebody on Google has a sense of humor.

[boogyman]

http://www.google.com/chrome

its been released

[mburt]

I just installed it then...

I tried to click maximize, and a bunch of error windows popped up and it closed :/

[mburt]

I restarted the program, and now it's working fine. I'm on it now actually.

[mburt]

Whoa... try selecting something. It selects everything, including all empty blocks, divs, etc.

[BLiZZaRD]

I will be trying it out when I get home. what os/bit/ram/clock info are you testing on?

[mburt]

Windows/32 bit/768 mb ram/and... I have no idea my clock rate.

[boogyman]

Blizzard, right now its only spec'd for XP and Vista. They are working on versions for mac and various linux distributions, just an FYI

@mike its only selecting the text that I am trying to select?

[mburt]

Try selecting some blank space. It highlights that too, but Firefox doesn't select elements like that.

[Medyman]

I don't much like the chrome of Google Chrome. But, WOW it's fast.

Overall, very impressed! Anything to take down IE's market share is fine by me. Even though the sad souls that are still on IE6 are not going to be the ones that download this. But a guy can dream, can't he?

[mburt]

I know, one of the most impressive things is its speed.

[Master_script_maker]

hmm if you click view source it opens it in another tab with code highlighting messing with javascript console, seems useful

[techietim]

Try selecting some blank space. It highlights that too, but Firefox doesn't select elements like that.

It's using the WebKit rendering engine, which is different than Firefox's.

[Master_script_maker]

the javascript console is so cool!:) you can run any functions on the page, insert your own, and run any javascript code you want.

[matt09]

I restarted the program, and now it's working fine. I'm on it now actually.

Hey,

Thats good.

I just installed Google Chrome and it's really working fine. It's giving such different experience of using web browser.

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[codeexploiter]

I really wonder whether we are on the verge of another browser war?

[boogyman]

that is possible, however if you read the 38 slide comic, chrome is VERY far ahead, not only in speed, but in capability.

Presently each tab is considered initial "process memory" meaning that even if you delete a tab, the memory is only mostly destroyed, but is not freed up to be reclaimed. Google claims that this new browser has a separate process per tab, and thus if you delete one tab, you delete the process and it is reclaimed as available memory.

In theory those two factors give them a huge advantage over Mozilla's firefox (notorious for being slower) and IE (yeah... go figure haha). It also borrows Operas "Speed Dial" in a sense that when you create a new tab, your 9 most used pages are displayed as a preview, but exceeds Opera, because it also has recently exited, and recently searched pages as well. So this is quite a browser, but before we give it all the high praise, it is still less than 24hrs old (845am EST) so there is always the potential for some huge flaw to be discovered and whoops there it goes.

Either way I think that since this is an open source project, at the very least, other developers will be able to view their source and how it was coded and hopefully this will drive change :)

[hyk]

I just downloaded it. Look quite promising. Anw, guys what are the new functions that this web browser have & the other don`t? Its seems like loading a website is slightly faster than normal. Might need some time getting used to the design of this browser :D

[Master_script_maker]

new tab page that allows you to choose some of your most visited pages, different processes for each tab, different processes for each plug-in, spell check, built in html viewer with code highlighting, built in task manager which shows you the memory of each of the browser's processes is using with the ability to end them, easy downloading with a download interface similar to firefox's download statusbar (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/26) extension, javascript debuger, javascript console with ability to dynamically insert functions and code into the page, also allowing you to run functions in the page, with auto completion.

[boogyman]

I just downloaded it. Look quite promising. Anw, guys what are the new functions that this web browser have & the other don`t? Its seems like loading a website is slightly faster than normal. Might need some time getting used to the design of this browser :D

It uses a new rendering engine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layout_engine) that until now was developed for mobile devices.

[jr_yeo]

waiting for it to be Linux compatible...

[boogyman]

Unless IE 6 and 7, Fx 3, and Opera 9.26 all have problems with pixel declaration.

Google chrome has a serious bug in their rendering. DD has a minimum width of 1024 for the viewport where I need 1048 for chrome. (provided that the web developer extension for firefox is correct, and I lined up the edges exactly). Lining of the edges isnt as crucial because 24pixels is alot to be out, that a pixel or two in lining doesn't mean drastic error on my part. This is talking about the forum home page.

[Twey]

Yay, a standards-driven browser war. Sign me up for that one, sounds like good things could come out of it.

On the other hand, see: http://tapthehive.com/discuss/This_Post_Not_Made_In_Chrome_Google_s_EULA_Sucks. Not really a good start, or the right attitude.


Anw, guys what are the new functions that this web browser have & the other don`t? Its seems like loading a website is slightly faster than normal.That's just WebKit. We've had that in Safari for years, and KHTML in Konqueror, which is even faster. The most prominent features, as far as I can see, are a) its process-per-tab model, which offers various benefits as described in the comic, and b) its new garbage collection model. The key design concept behind this browser is 'computers are faster now; let's take advantage of some of that power to make things more elegant'. It's a good concept, and one that more apps should be starting to look at. Particularly, the thread/process-intensive model is increasingly becoming a more viable option with multi-processor machines abounding. I've been trying to design more apps that way myself recently (in which endeavour Erlang (http://www.erlang.org/) and Haskell (http://www.haskell.org) are huge boons).

[Medyman]

It uses a new rendering engine that until now was developed for mobile devices.
It's Webkit! It's the rendering engine behind Safari among others. Not really new nor developed solely for mobile devices.


Yay, a standards-driven browser war. Sign me up for that one, sounds like good things could come out of it.

Amen to that! Sign me up too...

[Moshambi]

So this is quite a browser, but before we give it all the high praise, it is still less than 24hrs old (845am EST) so there is always the potential for some huge flaw to be discovered and whoops there it goes.

I do agree with you on this to an extent, because well, it IS a beta still...

man Google Rocks!

[codeexploiter]

The story behind google chrome.

http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2008/09/google-chrome.html

[Medyman]

I LOVE this gem from the Chrome EULA:

By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any content which you submit, post or display on or through, the services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the services and may be revoked for certain services as defined in the additional terms of those services

But that's in most Google EULA's. And I read somewhere that they're going take that out of Chrome's EULA or at least modify it.

There are still other concerns (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10031661-56.html?tag=newsLeadStoriesArea.0) though.

[magicyte]

I downloaded it. Pretty cool.

-magicyte

[Master_script_maker]

yeah its very cool. but you have to turn off autocomplete and change the search engine from google to something else and you can't post anything without giving google the right to change it.

[hyk]

there is a function which u can open your webpage in a incognito window. So if we do that right, neither the com we surf on or google will have the data right? If that is true, can u suggest y they want to include this function?

[boogyman]

there is a function which u can open your webpage in a incognito window. So if we do that right, neither the com we surf on or google will have the data right? If that is true, can u suggest y they want to include this function?

Incognito mode only removes the cookie(s) that are set by a potential website, it does not prevent them from using the information as described in their terms of use, and depending on how they set up the service (chrome) they may actually track what you do in the incognito mode and what you do in the regular mode

[jr_yeo]

plz go to this site (http://chaitanyakuber.wordpress.com/2008/09/03/how-to-crash-google-chrome/).

[boogyman]

Not being descriptive isn't exactly going to want me to follow the link?

[Medyman]

yeah its very cool. but you have to turn off autocomplete and change the search engine from google to something else and you can't post anything without giving google the right to change it.

The first part is true. Google will use the data from what you're searching for and/or browsing to augment their analytics and use the information for the ad-based technologies.

The second is not. That's just a default part of the EULA. It'll be removed if it hasn't been already. They had the same problem with Google Docs. It included the same language and was removed when they deemed it didn't apply. Basically, it's laziness on the part of their legal department more than anything else.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080903-google-on-chrome-eula-controversy-our-bad-well-change-it.html


Incognito mode only removes the cookie(s) that are set by a potential website, it does not prevent them from using the information as described in their terms of use, and depending on how they set up the service (chrome) they may actually track what you do in the incognito mode and what you do in the regular mode

I think that's being overly paranoid.



Not being descriptive isn't exactly going to want me to follow the link?

Especially when it has "how-to-crash-google-chrome" in the URL...lol

[jscheuer1]

The link about how to crash it is legit. Apparently it is easily crashed. I think I'll wait till it's been around awhile - had some of the bugs knocked out of it. Does sound very promising though.

[Twey]

Well, that is what 'beta' means :) Anybody using this seriously for applications that matter right now will learn that the hard way.

[jscheuer1]

Well, that is what 'beta' means :) Anybody using this seriously for applications that matter right now will learn that the hard way.

Absolutely. After posting, I followed some of the other links from the blog post on the crash bug and found that GC has a Java exploit inherited from the outdated version of webkit upon which it is based that can allow hackers to run programs on your HD. That makes it (GC) a 'testing only' browser at best as far as I'm concerned, just like IE, and Safari 3 Win. But I generally don't even test code in a browser until it is out of beta.

Notes: Safari 3 Win has supposedly overcome this Java exploit, but considering that Apple is a relative novice when it comes to writing browsers for Windows, I'm still not convinced it is a safe browser. I'll stick to Opera and FF for actual browsing, using others at my own risk for testing purposes only. One exception - IE on trusted sites that benefit from one or more of its unique features.