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Johnnymushio
09-22-2007, 07:03 AM
ok, i used windows movie maker, now i have a 6 second wmv clip i would like to be a animated gif.

the thing is,, ok ill describe it this way. i want it to be played like this forever

1 2 3 4 5 6 5 4 3 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... foreverrr. you see what imean?

what FREE program can do this, and i would also like it to be able to crop the picture to remove the black bars on the top and bottom.

djr33
09-22-2007, 08:01 AM
animated gifs repeat none, a certain number of times, or infinitely, each way through the entire sequence of frames. No options there.
Just duplicate the frames (ie, 1234565432 as your animation) manually.

as for bars and such, I don't know why they are there, but you can probably adjust the dimensions of the project in WMM.

If not, search out any free/shareware gif animator. There are lots.

Johnnymushio
09-22-2007, 08:07 AM
how would i repeat the frames? its a wmv

ive searched for hours, i cant find any programs.

the black bars are there because its a video

im also afraid the file size would be too big if i somehow managed to add the reversed video frames to the end of the original video. well guess it doesnt matter, how would i do that

djr33
09-22-2007, 08:13 AM
Well, filesize would go up. but there's no way around it.

Look at download.com and search "gif". you'll find a lot. You don't need something complex for this.

Johnnymushio
09-22-2007, 08:47 AM
searching for about 4 hours now today alone.

downloading so much crap onto my computer to try and find a way to do this.

ok.

- i have the 6 second long wmv

- i need to convert it to gif

- then, i need to crop the gif

- then, i need to reverse the gif

- then, i need to add the reversed gif to the end of the original.

- through this whole process, i need to keep the image quality.

you say i need nothing complex to do this...

djr33
09-22-2007, 09:32 AM
You don't need anything more complex than a standard gif animator. Converting from wmv is a bit difficult, and I had misread your earlier post, that you had already done it. Sorry. But that won't be so hard.
If nothing else, a screen capture can do it.
6 seconds at the full framerate is either 6*30 or 6*25... approximately 175 frames. That's a LOT of data for a gif and not only will it be a very large file, but it'll probably stall on many computers.

Gifs are best at just a few frames, especially when you later want it to go in reverse.

For cropping, you should be able to fix this in windows movie maker. Change the settings, etc. If not, you can probably crop either frame by frame or through the whole animation with your gif animator.

It doesn't seem like you need anything special in terms of gifs here, so any gif animator should do.
http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.html?tg=dl-20&qt=gif&tag=srch
(any after the first are likely to work)

Once this is done, manually reverse the frames of the gif and duplicate. There's no real way around that unless you can do it in the first place from within windows movie maker (and you can, but i'm not sure exactly how as I don't like/use the program much, though I don't see that as difficult).

For image quality, that's just something you'll need to deal with. GIFs have a maximum of 256 colors and this gets progressively worse with each frame added, needing colors, so there is a lower allotment of new colors for every frame after the first.
GIFs are theoretically lossless, but that is just saying they don't lose any data in translation. But this IS limited to 256 colors which is a major loss of quality in itself. Be sure it's turned up (but higher filesize then as well), and you can also specify a particular palette (set of colors) and most program do this, so it should be able to get fairly close.

Johnnymushio
09-22-2007, 09:50 AM
ive seen gifs that are high quality and last about 10 seconds, and are really big in size. they load nice on my pc...

And your right, it is about 150 frames.

well hmm im thinking about not reversing it...

the wmv is 320kb

im guessing when it is converted to gif it will get a lot bigger, right?

as for cropping, well i know i can resize the video, but i cant find a way to crop it. ive tried searching for about 30 minutes.

djr33
09-22-2007, 09:57 AM
Large gifs tend to stall out. NOT the best method for delivering long animations. I've had old computers that stall and some even stall now on this computer (high end macbook pro). Think about visitors with old PCs.

wmv size has nothing to do with the gif. wmv is compressed. frame size, number of colors and frame rate will determine the gif's size. Much more than 320k, I'd expect, though, yes.

Reversing isn't possible as a setting, so that's up to you. Not resversing would certainly save a lot of space in the animation.

What are you trying to crop with?

Try zwei-stein, a free video editor from the company "thugs at bay".

Johnnymushio
09-23-2007, 08:34 AM
hmm i might give up.

ive tried a ton of programs, i have to buy them all.

makes me mad, when i finally find one, make it perfect, then go to save , then it says i must buy the program to save it.

djr33
09-24-2007, 12:36 PM
Some programs are free, or inexpensive.
I haven't needed one in a while, but look at the licenses on download.com and see which might work well. I'm sure you can find something.

the GIMP has an animated GIF program. GIMPshop? I forget what's it's called. Definitely free, though, but with a bit more of a learning curve.

Twey
09-24-2007, 12:39 PM
The GIMP has animation built in. Simply create each frame as a layer, then choose "animated" when exporting to GIF. GAP (the GIMP Animation Plugin) provides some specialised tools for working with animations.

insanemonkey
09-24-2007, 08:10 PM
what I would say is...

Look for a Gif animator, goto downloads.com or some download site and type in gif

and...

do not create repeated frames on your windows movie maker file as it would take alot of memory for the one file becuase the wmm file or whatever would stop eventually....

I use to have a gif creator slash animator, lol. and Some gif creators whatever can compress the code into a gif from other files.... just keeping looking...

Good luck...

Brian_C_C
09-25-2007, 09:50 PM
Xara is a good one.

Johnnymushio
09-27-2007, 03:05 AM
nahh they all place watermarks

insanemonkey
09-27-2007, 05:00 AM
no they dont..... I have seen plenty.... have you even tried one..?

Twey
09-27-2007, 08:04 AM
The GIMP certainly doesn't... don't know about Xara.

Johnnymushio
09-27-2007, 04:21 PM
hmm i remember trying the gimp, ill try again.

and yes, i have tried way more than one...

Kratos
09-28-2007, 09:55 AM
Hi, everyone. I'm new to these forums. I stumbled across Dynamic Forums quite by accident. I was searching for other people who can make animated gifs. I, myself make alot of them, and of all types. Johnnymushio, I can help you with all of your questions, I think. But firstly, I must ask you a question. What is that you are trying to make a gif of? And what software do you currently have?

Below is an example of a gif I made. Please ignore the web address on it, as my site is not finished yet. All I do is make gifs, and of varying types. I'd like to help you with your gif problems. Right click and save this gif to your Pc and you will see it at the correct speed. This is a basic gif I can make. I make them daily, so I know what I'm doing. Not trying to sound like a bigshot or anything. I just want to find others who share my gif interests and who themselves want to make gifs So you get the idea of the kinda quality etc etc.

I made the T2 gif with several programs in conjunction with eachother for the optimum results. Lag is due to server, not the animation itself. One thign you must remember when making any gif is that you will lose quality overall. This cannot be avoided.

How I made this gif very quickly.

T2 Dvd> rip with Dvd shrink to desktop
Open VOB files with VirtuaDub> select frames> save to folder
NIC>open frames> set crop + frames> and set borders
animate ...simple as that

And that is but one process I use. There are many to achieve the below results

Eyeball (http://www.upload3r.com/serve/230907/1190538386.gif)

I have practically got your movie gifs and game gifs etc down to a fine art. And I'd like to see some others make gifs too. Over the last 2 years I have installed and used many different animation programs. Some with great success, and others with not good results. Below is a short list of gif programs that are among the very best [imho]. I actually purchased them. And I use them all according to my animation needs. I could show you a gif made with each and evry one of the below programs, so you can see the varying gif results.

IMAGEREADY - [comes with cs2] takes a bit to learn, but better than average results
JASC - Animation Shop 3 [most versatile] but poor compression ratios
NIC - Converter [great results] limited settings
ULEAD -Gif Maker 5 [good allround] medium diffilcult learnign curve
FM3 - Image Packer [limited] but great compressio ratios [bare settings]

Others I have tried and gottne rid of;

EASY GIF - Animator [meh]
SELTECO [its ok, i guess]
COFFEECUP - I found this program a bit weird to use, dunn why, Lol.

insanemonkey
09-28-2007, 06:28 PM
ooooooooooh what movie is that gif from, ive never seen it....!!

oh and thats really freakin good fora gif...

djr33
09-28-2007, 10:51 PM
It looks pretty good, but it is 2.8mb. That's VERY high for any content you'd want to include on a page. At that point, you could get a much higher quality embedded video.

The loading time, Kratos, is what causes the delay. Once it 'plays' once (ie, it's loaded each frame), you won't see a delay from the server. It should take about the same time as downloading directly. At least loading in the browser you to get to watch it process.

As the text says, Terminator 2, insanemonkey.

Kratos
09-29-2007, 04:03 AM
I can make that T2 gif with the same quality under 500 k. It's merely an example. And making vids is defeating the original purpose of making a gif.

Here's your gif, johhny. I made it like an avatar, and it loops the way you requested it in your original thread. What you are asking for is a reverse looping gif. If you want it bigger, smaller, closeup, distant, effects, faster, slower etc etc., let me know here. The splurging effect in the background can't be avoided due to the poor quailty of the original clip and the colors dont help much in that regard, either. I also culled the overall animation. Somethign I don't usually do with my gifs.

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1828/yupve1.gif

djr33
09-29-2007, 04:24 AM
And making vids is defeating the original purpose of making a gif.It is... and it isn't.
A gif is supposed to be a small animation that can easily be embedded on a page. It's not really designed for movies.
I doubt you can get the same quality at 500k, as that is simply what a gif does.... it saves lossless data at 256 colors (so far from visually "lossless"), or less colors if you decide. Less colors will look worse and so would fewer frames or resolution. If you can, I'm interested, though.

It's a pain to embed a video on a page. Perhaps the gif format should be better, or animated pngs will catch on and be better, but there's just a limit.

2.8mb is just WAY too much data for inline content that isn't some sort of media that allows buffering, etc.

500k is also pushing it, though on the edge. Perhaps better than embedding.

gifs are convenient, but it is, sadly, a fairly ugly format for a number of reasons.

None of this is your fault, certainly. Just unfortunate.

Using Sorenson 3, an old but compatible codec (there are much better ones now), here's a 228kb version of that same clip. If you look close enough you can see some artifacting. No one would ever notice, though.
http://ci-pro.com/misc/11905383862.mov
(It was flawless at around 800k, though I wanted to make it smaller. Probably would be nearly flawless at 400k, too.)


Meh. I wish there was a better way. Seems that is sorta flash... but flash is terribly inconvenient to use.

Johnnymushio
09-29-2007, 08:00 PM
wow.... you actually made it, if you were here i would give you five bucks, haha. but, since i cant, i just thanked you.

i have no idea how you did that. how long did it take you?

big-dog1965
10-04-2007, 03:37 AM
never mine