Global Warming – Truth or Fiction?

[Jack]

What do you think? Is global warming something normal or is it the fault of mankind?

Found this short video on youtube that I found interesting HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJTDSEPSfhk).

[Twey]

People are always going on about this sort of thing. "Humans are destroying the planet," "humans are unbalancing the ecosystem," "humans are causing events to deviate from their natural path." What people fail to realise is that humans are part of that natural path, even though we usually arrogantly think ourselves above it. I suspect that, if not now, then in some time in the future, humanity will indeed modify the atmosphere so much that they'll be unable to live. However, that's not a "bad" thing. "Good" and "bad" are very human definitions, and really apply only to humans. From the standpoint of the human race, it may be a bad thing, but nature will find some way of dealing with it, just like when the plants polluted the Earth's atmosphere with a highly corrosive waste gas, oxygen.

[mburt]

Global Warming isn't evident here... It's -9 degrees celsius outside now, and that's is normal for the area I live in around late winter (winter for us doesn't start until about January).

[thetestingsite]

Currently it's 70 degrees fahrenheit. It's supposed to be a high of around 92 though (that's normal around this time). Last summer, it got up to 125 F and that was normal.

[djr33]

7 1,000+ year old glaciers have melted within the last several years in Sweden.

I agree with you, Twey.
However, I think, being human, that is "bad", in that at least we will all die. So... perhaps nature won't care, but people should.

[pcbrainbuster]

This is nature talking to you now ! Don't make me throw a hurricane at you now !!! Don't listen to my freakish name - muhahahaha !!!

[Jack]

You may want to check this out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming




Sure looks like it's man made to me.

[tech_support]

No matter what we do, it's still going to effect the world.

[djr33]

It has already started doing so.


One way to look at all of this is that everyone wants low prices for fuel (gas). Considering the supply of oil is running out, I'd suggest that everyone should be inclined to go the route of reusable energy so it's easier on everyone and so that it doesn't, if global warming is "real", keep hurting the environment ;)


But then there are people who believe we're not running out of gas. But I ask, then, why prices are going up? Perhaps this will stir debate, but I'll throw it out there too-- and why are we invading a country that just happens to result in us getting their oil?

[boxxertrumps]

You guys have to remember that "Facts" are only that because many many people beleive the peices of information are correct, not the other way around.

but that aside, a reason gas prices are going up is so that people THINK its running out, so that the rising gas prices are justified.

[pcbrainbuster]

What you just said is also what my dad says (that everyone is being tricked...)

[shachi]

Hey ... but also look at this: http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/03/2310250

[jnscollier]

I think global warming is an issue and I don't think it's all fabricated like some people say.

I watched An Inconvenient Truth with Al Gore and it just really put things in perspective for me.

www.stopglobalwarming.org
www.climatecrisis.net

[Jack]

No matter what we do, it's still going to effect the world.

Yeap, even if they closed all the factories and everyone stopped poluting it may already be to late. Some of the things they tell us to expect is down right dreadful.

[jscheuer1]

Whatever happened to Global Cooling? That was real big some time ago, an impending crisis. Or, what about the killer bees infesting at least the lower US states? That never happened.

The 'science' was firm on both of those and backed by a majority of the scientific community.

With climate, they cannot even predict the weather with any certainty more than for a day or so at best.

That said, this global warming (I think it should be called global heating) seems very real. Only time will tell for sure. If we had taken every foreseeable step to prevent global cooling when it seemed like a real threat, we would be in potentially worse shape today as regards this currently perceived threat.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15391426/site/newsweek/

[Freeman]

I could personally go for some global warming. I hate being cold and living in colorado with the sixety some days of snow on the ground leads for some cold times. I do like the thought of turning to more effecient things to use for transportation. I was watching the discovery channel a while ago and they have this show about the future and how we will be living. This particular episode was about the types of vehicles we will be using in the future. One man had a car that he claims could go from LA to Denver on one tank of gas. If this were true do you think that the government would allow for it to be sold? Or would they buy it from the inventor and sweep it under the table so one one will have a car with that kind of efficiency? They do have a rather large money maker with selling gasoline and desiel to the American people. I personally would like to get into nuclear powered vehicles but haven't quite figured out how, yet. JF

[jscheuer1]

I personally would like to get into nuclear powered vehicles but haven't quite figured out how, yet. JF

It's really just like getting into a conventional auto. You open the door and sit down on the seat. :)

Global warming true or false aside, we really should be reducing our dependence upon fossil fuels for geopolitical reasons. There is no disputing that the world's largest reserves are in locations that are politically volatile (to put it mildly) and that it would be in our best interests to find other sources of energy.

[djr33]

And it would be cheaper.

Perhaps this is the approach that should be used.

We could appeal to the sense of reason to avoid fossil fuels, regardless of squabbling about global warming, while fixing it at the same time.

[Twey]

And it would be cheaper.In the long run -- setup costs would be tremendous, though.
We could appeal to the sense of reason to avoid fossil fuels, regardless of squabbling about global warming, while fixing it at the same time.Haha, because nobody's tried that before :rolleyes:
Politicians are more interested in avoiding having to explain to their voters why the taxes have doubled for the next decade.

[boxxertrumps]

Income tax is already 40% in canada, Plus 14% sales tax in ontario (Thats right.. you spend money to spend money, and you spend money when you make money...)

if it doubled, it would drive canadians into bankruptcy.

[pcbrainbuster]

One thing i think is stupid is that so many people (scientists, presidents...) are saying that we need to stop using cars (that give out smoke and what not). And at the end of the day they drive off in one !!! Also the cars that actaully don't use smoke(or something else) are soooo expensive !!!

[boxxertrumps]

Its the fact that a person, no matter how smart, becomes an idiot when in a croud.
also, no matter how logical an action is, people almost always do the easy thing.

[Freeman]

Income tax is already 40% in canada, Plus 14% sales tax in ontario (Thats right.. you spend money to spend money, and you spend money when you make money...)

if it doubled, it would drive canadians into bankruptcy.

The upside to living in Canada is a free health care system. I don't know which I would prefer, having free healthcare or not having taxes. Wither way they are going to take back money from you with whatever you do. JF

[boxxertrumps]

actually, a major decrease of taxes would most likely help the economy...
And if people had to pay for healthcare, then they would be more inclined to keep themselves healthy.

Hemp should be legalized... burns cleaner as a fuel that gasoline.
The reason marijuanna products became illegal was because it was gaining poplularity against gasoline.

[djr33]

Huh? Really?

[boxxertrumps]

Yes really.

[mburt]

marijuana is more then an addictive drug?

[boxxertrumps]

Yes, hemp can be used as a fabric or rope, the oil can be used for fuel, and its as addictive as tobbacco...