Copyright Question

[Johnnymushio]

Okay, their is a Japanese company called Oricon, it has music charts for Japanese songs.

I want to put their chart information onto my site, and of course I will link back to them wherever I put their chart information on my site.

But, do I need their permission to put their information onto my site, or is linking back to them enough not to break any copyright laws?

[Twey]

Best to ask.

[Johnnymushio]

I remember asking a while ago, but they didn't respond. Then I had someone who spoke Japanese E-mail them and they didn't respond either...

[lainlives]

as far as i know you could use it but you should give them full credit

[Twey]

Yeah, in this position I'd use it and give them credit, and take a failure to complain as an implicit sanction. :)

[Jack]

I’m going off topic a little here but I always get a good laugh when I come across so called “Christian” web sites that have copyright laws. These guys seam to think that the word of God originated with them… And it also makes me wonder about their motives. I mean, if what they have is so important wouldn’t they want to make it available for as many people as possible without placing obstacles in their way?

So whenever I come across a so-called “Christian” web site and find something helpful I simply help myself to it. Bottom line, I believe in a higher court and if their work originated from God’s word I simply help myself to it.

So if anyone has a “Christian” web site I simply over look their stupid copyright laws since I know that the word of God doesn’t belong to them and therefore they have no right to copyright it.

And hey, if they have a problem with that, then by all means sue me!
I’m as poor as dirt, and even if I had a lot of money I still would over look their stupid copyright laws.

These people seam to think that being a Christian is a means to financial gain, and I assure you that they’re in grave error.

I mean really, if you had the cure for cancer would you not want to make it available to as many people as possible, or would you place obstacles in their way?

As Christians we believe that we’ve been entrusted with the sacred things of God – which of course is far more important then any cure, so to place limitations on people isn’t something I respect. Not when it comes to the word of God.

So go on and copyright whatever you want, but when it comes to the things of God keep your filthy hands to yourself.

Ah, that felt good! ;)

[BLiZZaRD]

Except they aren't copy protecting the "word of God" they are copy protecting their content/scripts, and form/layout, etc.

And actually, if God hasn't filed for a copyright on his words, then anyone can, and they can sue Him for using their newly copyrighted phrases :D

[BLiZZaRD]

Thought it might be interesting to add:

I just checked my "Holy Bible: New International Version" And right inside the cover: "Copyright, 1980, 1982, 1984 All Rights Reserved"

So by your own logic, "As Christians we believe that we’ve been entrusted with the sacred things of God – which of course is far more important then any cure, so to place limitations on people isn’t something I respect. Not when it comes to the word of God."

You don't respect the Holy Bible? :D

[Jack]

Thought it might be interesting to add:

I just checked my "Holy Bible: New International Version" And right inside the cover: "Copyright, 1980, 1982, 1984 All Rights Reserved"

I know and like I said, I'm not subject to those laws. The good books says to obey the laws of the land until they themselves disobey God's word so I'm not bound by those laws.

:cool:

[BLiZZaRD]

So you are above man's law because you believe in God? Pah. I see the next Son of Sam here :p

"No your Honor! God said I don't have to obey your laws, therefore I am innocent." :D

[thetestingsite]

So you are above man's law because you believe in God? Pah. I see the next Son of Sam here :p

"No your Honor! God said I don't have to obey your laws, therefore I am innocent." :D

A little more off topic here, but that kind of sounds like that movie "Frailty" (or at least I believe that's the name).

bad,remade quote from movie



"We must kill these people because they are demons!"


As for the OP issue, I would suggest the same as what Twey suggested (the use it and give them credit post earlier in this thread).

[BLiZZaRD]

Yes, it is called Frailty. Mathew McConughey was great in that, Bill Paxton too :D

What was the OP's question?

Just kidding... if you use it, give full credit, if you have asked through email or other and no response, keep a copy of your email, just in case and don't worry too much about it.

[Jack]

So you are above man's law because you believe in God? Pah. I see the next Son of Sam here :p

"No your Honor! God said I don't have to obey your laws, therefore I am innocent." :D

Judge for yourself, do I keep mans law or God’s law?
Man made laws change, but God’s law remains the same.
Putting God’s word into practice may no longer be the popular thing to do, but then again, if I was looking to be popular I wouldn’t be talking about God.

Obviously some laws are to be honored, but as soon as they go against what the scriptures tell us, there in fact lawlessness. Like I said, man made laws change but God’s laws remain the same.

So who am I to follow? God’s laws or man made laws? You be the judge. :cool:

[Twey]

I have to say I agree with Jack. Not on the "God purportedly wrote it so let's follow it to the letter" part, but there are certain cases and certain laws that I would feel morally obliged to disobey. The law, being written by fallible humans, isn't always right, there are always exceptions even to the rules that are right, and sometimes it's better to take the consequences of disobeying them than to be forced into going strongly against one's own morality.

[BLiZZaRD]

I am not trying to start a fight, just pointing out one of my (personal) main beef's with religious persons. Now, please let me state that I don't hold a vendetta or anything of an ill nature towards any person of any religious belief. (Jack here knows as well as anyone :) I just like debates)

Don't worry, I am used to getting flamed by religious groups as I would "infiltrate" their chat rooms, ask a simple question or make a single point (such as this one) and the barrage would begin. So know that we know I am not taking anyone's side, just making an opinion and putting it out there:



Obviously some laws are to be honored, but as soon as they go against what the scriptures tell us, there in fact lawlessness. Like I said, man made laws change but God’s laws remain the same.

The scriptures are quite vague when you take a look at it. And what about the cross argument that religious persons always throw back? "God made man, therefore what man makes is through God." Or is this a case of let's pick and choose what we feel is good/right versus what's wrong/right?

Man made laws are there to protect the image of God (Man, in case you don't know... as we were created in His image, yes?). Times change, humans change, rules need to change as well.

Let's take a look at one in particular:



Thou shall not steal.


Now, according to the Holy Bible, the commandments were made/written/cast/etched/whatever, by God Himself. I looked, but didn't see any asterisks next to this one. So when do you , as a man, get to change the word of God and make stealing a stereo wrong by Gods word, but stealing a script from someone's website under man's law protection okay?



So whenever I come across a so-called “Christian” web site and find something helpful I simply help myself to it. Bottom line, I believe in a higher court and if their work originated from God’s word I simply help myself to it.


God did NOT say "Thou shall not steal, except for cases where you as a mortal man think it would be okay."

:D

[Jack]

What if someone takes one of your scripts and adds to it and then turns around and slams copyrights all over it? What if the script you had made was helpful and you intended to help as many people as possible with it without charging so much as a dime?

I come around and find this script, and since I know that you had intended for me to use it (Free of charge) I simply over look the copyright laws. Would you give me a hard time about that?

Keep in mind that it’s your script, and that this guy simply added to it. And to make matter’s worst, he’s now placing limitations on something you made by limiting access to it. Something you made to help out – free of charge.

Now I don’t know about you but if that was my script I would tell people to use it and not to hold back. I’d tell them that it’s my script and that I want them to use it. And hey, wouldn’t you deal with that thief in good time?

As for being tagged a religious person, well, my understanding is that religion was created by man in order to rule over others, while those who put the scriptures into practice are simply following their hearts. So I’m not a religious person and I care very little about religious minds.

"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's." :cool:

[Twey]

As for being tagged a religious person, well, my understanding is that religion was created by man in order to rule over others, while those who put the scriptures into practice are simply following their hearts. So I’m not a religious person and I care very little about religious minds.It seems you are (like me) opposed to organised religion. Disorganised religion, however, is still religion :)
religion
n 1: a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destinySince you follow a set scripture, however, it could be argued that you still submit to the organisation imposed by that scripture; although it does prevent you from being manipulated exceptionally to the rules set down therein, the scripture itself both imposes organisation and is open to reinterpretation.

[BLiZZaRD]

What if someone takes one of your scripts and adds to it and then turns around and slams copyrights all over it?
That's how copyrights work :)



What if the script you had made was helpful and you intended to help as many people as possible with it without charging so much as a dime?

Then it will still be available to others, wouldn't it?



I come around and find this script, and since I know that you had intended for me to use it (Free of charge) I simply over look the copyright laws. Would you give me a hard time about that?

Depends on what the copy protection stipulated, there are different kinds. A Creative Commons for example. But if my copy protection is violated, you still stole from me.



Keep in mind that it’s your script, and that this guy simply added to it. And to make matter’s worst, he’s now placing limitations on something you made by limiting access to it. Something you made to help out – free of charge.

Once he changed it, it became his script, as it is now different from mine. He can do as he pleases with his, and I am screwed if I didn't have any form of copy protection in place.



Now I don’t know about you but if that was my script I would tell people to use it and not to hold back. I’d tell them that it’s my script and that I want them to use it. And hey, wouldn’t you deal with that thief in good time?

I do do this with my scripts, as you well know ;)



As for being tagged a religious person, well, my understanding is that religion was created by man in order to rule over others, while those who put the scriptures into practice are simply following their hearts. So I’m not a religious person and I care very little about religious minds.


ummm.... beholdHEcomes.net... your site, about God, religion, and the bible. Moreover you go into great detail about how YOUR views on the word of God are interpreted and you provide proof with scriptures and many other items.

In fact, your whole site is about the bible, and you "preach" your views on this site.

There are other persons that do this exact thing.. they are called preachers. You may not have a specific denomination, but you my friend, are a religious person. ;)

[djr33]

What if someone takes one of your scripts and adds to it and then turns around and slams copyrights all over it?

That's how copyrights work.
Not quite, Blizzard.

There are some complex and messy laws that I don't know the specifics of but basically state that upon creation intellectual property is copyrighted.

If you draw a picture, it needs not be copyrighted as it is implicitly.

A question comes when you must prove that, so that makes things, as I said, messy.

Code, also, is both just shared commands, so the only intellectual property is the specific choices in order, so the longer the code is the better its chance of being (provably) copyrighted.

[BLiZZaRD]

Yes djr, you are correct. But if you make a painting and copyright it, and I take my brushes and make an exact copy and then add a border and a sunshine and a rose, it is now a different, original work of art. Based off of your work. I could also copyright my painting as long as I didn't name it the same as yours.

It is a messy business, and verbal agreements actually carry a lot more weight than most realize.

Had I said "Hey, djr, I like your painting and want to make one of my own, can I use yours for inspiration?" and you say "Yes" Then there is nothing you can really do with my final product.

You make Velcro(R) and I add sticky adhesive to the backside of the strips. Two different products, same base.

It happens all the time and in the world of copyright laws it is called "piggy-backing" and is actually quite legal, with some limitations of course. There has to be a certain amount of "change" or "improvement" for example.