Browser VS Browser

[pcbrainbuster]

Hello all,

I brought this topi c up to see which browser people mostly use...

I use IE for windows:)

[BLiZZaRD]

IE 5, IE 6, IE7, FF 0.9, FF 1.0.5, FF 2.0, FF 3.0 BETA, Epiphany, lynx, AvantGo, Konqueror, Flock, K-Meleon, DeepNet Explorer, Links, SeaMonkey, and FireBird.

Of course some not every day, or every month for that matter, and some more than all the others (FF2 all day every day for example)

There are a few others but I don't have my testing laptop with me to boot up and look, and I forget their names :)

[pcbrainbuster]

WOW,

Now that's alot...

ow comes you need/have so many???

[BLiZZaRD]

Just to say I have them :)

Seriously though, as a web designer you want your site viewable by the most people possible right? Noting that a lot of people are still using dial-up, (I know of some still using external 2400 baud modems!), some have older machines using 800X 600 res at 24 colors etc. Also some browsers don't even have some capabilities. (i.e. java, plug in support, etc) and yet others are still text only browsers.

I want(ed) my sites to look as good as possible in all those scenarios, and what better way than looking for my self? A lot easier than trying to have people I don't know tell me or send screen shots through a forum. And it's faster too :)

[jscheuer1]

I saw this topic and immediately thought of the Mad Magazine feature:

Spy vs Spy

I hadn't thought of that in ages so, it gave me a chuckle. I use Opera 9.01 most of all and really like it but I also have, in the order of how frequently I use them - FF 1.5.0.9, IE 7, IE 6. It then is a toss up between NN 4 NS 7.2 IE 5.5, 5, 4. I hope I haven't left any out, those browsers get so touchy sometimes, when they think that they are being ignored.

[djr33]

FF1.5, mac and pc, and sometimes safari on my mac.
IE when needed. But ew.

[pcbrainbuster]

Well it seems that you people have many browsers at hand but lets now change it to what is your FAVOURITE BROWSER out of all of them...

IE for window at my end:)

[boxxertrumps]

Firefox.

but i have K-melon, netscape, opera and IE7 also.

but FF and k-melon use the Gecko rendering engine, no real point in having them both. Netscape i can switch between FF and IE engines.

it is odd though, i was playing around with CSS and i noticed that IE is the only one that doesnt support the display:table-* attributes.

Rather odd to me, scince IE is all about the table based... NVM... with IE, the table attributes are redundant.

LINK (http://www.freewebs.com/boxxertrumps/links.html) anyways...

EDIT: need to have different CSS for each browser, so im using php to create a browser specific menu look...

[Twey]

My favourite is currently Konqueror.

I have installed: IE (5, 5.5, 6, 7 [don't you love ies4linux? They all respond to conditional comments correctly too]), Konqueror 3.5.6, Firefox 1.5, Firefox 2.0, Firefox 3 beta, dillo, Amaya, Opera 9, lynx, links, eLinks.
i noticed that IE is the only one that doesnt support the display:table-* attributes.This has been the bane of web developers' existence since browsers started supporting display: table-cell :)

For all the idealism in the world, there are some layouts that simply must have a table. display: table-cell, were it supported by IE, would allow all the benefits of table-based designs with none of the bulk markup, element abuse, and other rubbish that generally accompanies such things.

It is, of course, supported by all other popular browsers.

[jscheuer1]

Well, if we are now talking about my favorite browser, that's hard to say. To look at me, you would have to say Opera 9.01 as, that is what I am using right now and what I usually use to browse. I also rely heavily upon it for development, diagnosis and design. However, I really do like some things about other browsers and have yet to find any that I would call ideal. There is something clunky about FF but, aside from that, it is extremely good and the extensions are hard to beat. Opera has widgets but, no one has taken the time yet that I am aware of to make the really useful ones like are available for FF as extensions. IE is kinda cool in an odd way. I guess if I had to pick one that irks me it would be NS 8 and up. These browsers are obnoxious the way they come bundled with crap and try to prevent you from keeping previous versions around. Plus the rendering tries to be all things to all people but seems to fail in a few areas, ending up in my opinion being little better than nothing. I really like the NS 7 series default skin, it's just so soothing to look at and they were very good browsers at the time and are still decent. Some of these legacy browsers have quaint features too. I have run Konq under cygwin and although the install I had was fraught with troubles, I could still appreciate how nice a browser it must be in its native 'nix environment.

To sum up, I have come to just like browsers - the way some people just like cars. I think that they are almost all pretty cool in their own ways. And, even the worst of them is better than what I can write at that level.

[Twey]

To look at me, you would have to say Opera 1.091.09?! We're in 2007 now, John... :p
There is something clunky about FF but, aside from that, it is extremely good and the extensions are hard to beat.It's more than "something clunky:" it hogs memory, using more than Visual Studio on Windows.
Opera has widgets but, no one has taken the time yet that I am aware of to make the really useful ones like are available for FF as extensions.The football game is fun though.
I guess if I had to pick one that irks me it would be NS 8 and up. These browsers are obnoxious the way they come bundled with crap and try to prevent you from keeping previous versions around.What I hate about them is the fact that they discontinued Linux support after they were bought by AOL. If it weren't for AOL, Netscape would still be a force to be reckoned with.
I have run Konq under cygwin and although the install I had was fraught with troubles, I could still appreciate how nice a browser it must be in its native 'nix environment.It's lovely. About the same speed as Opera, but the interface is less intrusive and it's open-source. Roughly the same level of standards support, too (the standards support of Opera and Konqueror is hard to match; they're the only two out of the current plethora of popular browsers to pass the ACID test).

[djr33]

Didn't FF (some version, anyway) pass the ACID test?

[BLiZZaRD]

I thought 1.0.5.9 did... could be wrong though

[Twey]

As far as I know, Firefox has never passed the ACID2 test. Perhaps ACID1, the last version.

[BLiZZaRD]

(the standards support of Opera and Konqueror is hard to match; they're the only two out of the current plethora of popular browsers to pass the ACID test).


But then you didn't specify there did you? :p

[djr33]

I believe that FF2 passed ACID2. I think.

[Twey]

I believe that FF2 passed ACID2. I think.It doesn't. Try it yourself (http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html). At least it's not as bad as IE's rendering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ieacid2.gif). It looks as though someone butchered the little smiley face.
But then you didn't specify there did you?Tsk, fine :p

Firefox 3 is apparently intended to pass the ACID2 test, although it's not there yet. Its use of Cairo does indeed speed it up dramatically on Linux (it passed the tab test: over three hundred tabs had to be opened before it took up more memory than my text editor), and if it bears this through to the final release it will definitely replace Konqueror as my primary browser once again.

I don't know if similar improvements have been made to the Windows interface.

[jscheuer1]

The acid test fails the acid test. Um, I mean it fails css validation. And, it only tentatively passes HTML validation.

[djr33]

Ah, perhaps I thought 2 as that is the newest, but I had heard 3, as in the 'real' newest version. Right.
That smiley face ain't happy.

[Twey]

The acid test fails the acid test. Um, I mean it fails css validation. And, it only tentatively passes HTML validation.It's meant to. The specifications define the way in which browsers should handle invalid CSS too, and it tests those as well.

3 hasn't been released yet. It's only a rumour.

[pcbrainbuster]

Can anyone explain to me about the acid tests both 1 and 2 or more if there are:)

[Twey]

They are tests designed to determine how well the browser supports the CSS standard. Various normal, odd, rare, and occasionally completely invalid rules are applied to a basic HTML page, and if the browser renders them (or refuses to render them, in the case of some of the invalid ones) according to the specification, it will produce a rather creepy image of a face.

[joycie]

Hello.
When I upgraded to IE7, my IE6 is gone. I am not used to using IE7 so I unstall IE7 to get back to IE6.
May I know how did you guys manage to keep different versions of IE?:confused:

[thetestingsite]

Mulitple computers or multiple boot drives is how I was able to keep all of my browsers.

[Shotgun Ninja]

IE6, IE7, and FF2, just recently. I don't have that many, but I don't release that much content online. I just want to learn the languages for now. Plus, I'm 15 years old, and I'm sitting in my first-block class at school right now. So my resources are obviously limited, as is my time. But in my opinion, based on browsing performance, Fire Fox 2 is better than IE7 by far, but IE7 is easier to get and more recognizable.

[Twey]

Have a look at the browser archive on evolt.org (http://www.evolt.org/). Personally, I use ies4linux (http://www.tatanka.com.br/).

[BLiZZaRD]

You can also check this link (http://www.quirksmode.org/browsers/multipleie.html), This one (http://www.thesitewizard.com/webdesign/multiplebrowsers.shtml), and this one too (http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/11/30/ie6-and-ie7-running-on-a-single-machine.aspx)

Few different options for you there :)

[chechu]

I think it is also a geografic depending issue.
Most of the viewers of my site come from the European continent (Belgium, Netherlands, France and Spain), and 82 % uses IE. Mainly because about 99,9 % of the companies work with IE, and that is where we still surf the most (even for private matters, oh yes !). Sometimes I am so surprised to see on this forum that you really worry about how it looks in other browsers etc.
We don't seem to have that "problem" here.

[Twey]

We don't seem to have that "problem" here.I think the high percentage of IE users is a bigger problem. :p
Sometimes I am so surprised to see on this forum that you really worry about how it looks in other browsers etc.We don't, really. First we design a valid, working page, using a decent browser to test; then, we try to accommodate for all IE's problems. We worry about IE more than anything -- how it looks in other browsers doesn't tend to be an issue if the page is designed well (apart from one or two minor tweaks, perhaps).

BLiZZaRD: Fx3.0a2 was released today. Fx3.0a3, as it is at the moment, still doesn't quite pass ACID2: there's just one strip of red left at the bottom. It's definitely getting closer, though.

[BLiZZaRD]

OHHH I will have to go get the update! Thanks for the input!

[pcbrainbuster]

Ewwww,
THAT'S JUST NASTY !!!!! (:))

Thanks for the input

[pcbrainbuster]

So,
When you planning the output?

[Blake]

I use Seamonkey.


IE 5, IE 6, IE7, FF 0.9, FF 1.0.5, FF 2.0, FF 3.0 BETA, Epiphany, lynx, AvantGo, Konqueror, Flock, K-Meleon, DeepNet Explorer, Links, SeaMonkey, and FireBird.

Of course some not every day, or every month for that matter, and some more than all the others (FF2 all day every day for example)

There are a few others but I don't have my testing laptop with me to boot up and look, and I forget their names :)

How do you run multiple versions of IE?

[mburt]

Umm... it's an expression. When someone says, "thanks for the input" they basically mean thanks.

[BLiZZaRD]

How do you run multiple versions of IE?

See this thread for that answer (http://www.dynamicdrive.com/forums/showthread.php?p=77355)

I also have 2 main computers, 2 main laptops/notebooks/whatever we call them today and 2 testing computers.

You can add IE3, and IE4 to my list, although they haven't been touched in over 2 years.

[BLiZZaRD]

Ewwww,
THAT'S JUST NASTY !!!!! (:))

input = information = advice ROTF :D

[pcbrainbuster]

I KNOW,

Ever heard of a joke ?:)

[pcbrainbuster]

Like i said i was only joking did not mean any of it :):):)

[BLiZZaRD]

(I got that from your smilie :) no worries)

[pcbrainbuster]

lol :)

[chechu]

Is there a dictionary for ROTF, lol, and other ?

[jscheuer1]

Is there a dictionary for ROTF, lol, and other ?

http://www.johannanko.net/Chatslang.htm