Where do I start?

[Tisso01]

Hello World,

I am trying to get into the world of internet marketing and php / site development...

I have stumbled onto the Dynamic website and wanted to know where I start in putting together a template that I can use on the domains that I have registered....

I do this part time so its been a lot of late nights getting to this point, so any help to reduce time in forums and search engines will be much appreciated.

Is there a training manual or video that could set me on my way..?

Regards
T

[Twey]

If you're looking into a language for server-side web development, I don't recommend PHP, which is (for all its wide adoption) a highly unpleasant language. Try something like Java, or (for rapid development) Python. I hear good things of ASP.NET (using C#, not VB.NET, obviously) as well.

[djr33]

I like PHP. I don't know the others, though. But it's not like it's terrible or anything.

[codeexploiter]

I too think ASP.NET with C# has better capabilities than PHP. But learning PHP is simple especially if you know C (not a mandatory thing though).

[Tisso01]

Hi Professors,

Thanks for the advice. I did a google search and came up with some good information on ASP.

They have some mini projects to download and start with...

Also some links to books such as ASP.NET 2.0 Website Programming: Problem - Design - Solution (Programmer to Programmer) (Paperback)
by Marco Bellinaso .....

Please keep updating the thread with more suggestions...I promise they will all be read and appreciated...

Regards
T

[djr33]

Do what you want but note that PHP is free, doesn't require a windows server (ASP can run on linux, but only with a several hundred dollar patch), and has more support :p

Anyway, I'm biased.

[codeexploiter]

ASP.NET 2.0 Unleashed by Stephen Walther seems to be a good book.

[Tisso01]

Wow!

It seems that people are really set on the Open source route and to be 100% MS Free....have seen some sites with the 100% free logo....

I need to create basic templates to use on my sites to be able to attach auto responders, google adsense and multiple links....

Now I am not 2 sure which way to go....php free or ASP possibly paid....

T

[Twey]

Do what you want but note that PHP is free, doesn't require a windows server (ASP can run on linux, but only with a several hundred dollar patch), and has more supportASP maybe, but thanks to Mono (http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page), that's not the case for ASP.NET (with C#, I don't think they've bothered implementing VB.NET yet). Can't argue the lack of support, though. I haven't tried ASP.NET for a long time, but would strongly recommend Python with Django, which is both totally Free and powerful.
I like PHP. I don't know the others, though. But it's not like it's terrible or anything.It started life as a collection of Perl scripts (see the pointless $ before variables? In Perl, that actually has a use -- $ is a scalar, @ is an array, # is a hash. In PHP, it seems to be there just to annoy people), and now has bolted-on object-orientation support that's definitely still getting there :) It's widely considered one of the ugliest Free languages around. Don't get me wrong, though: it does have its advantages, its wide adoption being the main one. It was designed as a rapid-development language, and in this area it excels; it's far faster to write an application in PHP than it is to write the same application in, say, JSP. However, the end result may not be as good. Does one build one's house on sand or on rock?
It seems that people are really set on the Open source route and to be 100% MS Free...I don't blame them. I have trouble trusting any software that hides its source code from me, even from a reputable company (the reason I would never use Opera for serious browsing). Also, paying $4,999 for a copy of Windows Server when alternatives are available for free seems ridiculous from an economic point of view to me. Microsoft can argue TCO benefits until the cows come home, but five thousand dollars is one heck of a lot of money to pay in the vague hope that in times to come it might save you money (and this completely ignoring the fact that soon it will be obsolete and you'll have to pay through the nose yet again for the latest version).

[dog]

Hello everyone,

I am also trying to pick a route into the world of server side language.

This thread is helping a lot. I had thought the options where basically ASP or PHP.

At the moment I'm learning server side scripting just to send forms, etc. but one day I'd like to understand how Wikipedia works and be building forums, etc. Any suggestions for how I can kill the form sending bird and the on the way to writing forums bird with one ss language stone? Metaphorically speaking of course:D

I've written a form supported by ASP but it meant switching my hosting to a windows server. Isn't Linux faster and more realiable?


I hear good things of ASP.NET (using C#, not VB.NET, obviously) as well.
What's ASP.NET? Isn't this also MS? :eek: I'm suprised to see someone who signs off their posts with reasons not to use Microsoft recommending this. What's up with that prof.?

[Twey]

Any suggestions for how I can kill the form sending bird and the on the way to writing forums bird with one ss language stone?The latter is only an application of the former. Something complex like a forum may look a lot more daunting than a simple form submission, but the same principles apply.
I've written a form supported by ASP but it meant switching my hosting to a windows server. Isn't Linux faster and more realiable?The debates over this go for days :) My personal response, having tried both, is to say, yes, definitely. There's a thread on Linux vs. Windows hosting here on the forums. Have a search. Also, consider this article (http://www.theregister.co.uk/security/security_report_windows_vs_linux/) on The Register.
What's ASP.NET? Isn't this also MS?Originally, yes, but they released (at least some of it) as an open standard, which is now maintained by ISO, I believe. Based on this, the Mono project was started, and now provides fairly good support for .NET applications on other platforms.
I'm suprised to see someone who signs off their posts with reasons not to use Microsoft recommending this.Correction: the statistics in my signature are a reason not to use Internet Explorer (6, vs. Firefox 1. I should really update the links). I do also object to Microsoft as a company on the basis of their business ethics, but their products generally have enough technical flaws that I don't have to bring this into an argument :)