View Full Version : What Browser Do You Use?
tacmig99
08-18-2006, 08:55 PM
I use FireFox, the beta for Internet Explorer 7 looks promising though.
I have no idea what will be added to FireFox 2 which I think is coming out in the next few months so not much to be excited about for that...
I also test my website in IE6 but I don't really use it for anything else.
mburt
08-18-2006, 09:13 PM
This poll is obviously going to be lead by Firefox, but we'll see how it turns out :)
I wasn't sure whether to go for Firefox or "Other..." I usually use Firefox, but recently I've turned to Konqueror because Firefox (at least the Linux version) is so slow. Unfortunately, Konqueror is a resource hog. I'd use Opera but it's not Free... and so the quest for the perfect browser goes on. :)
mwinter
08-18-2006, 09:48 PM
I'd use Opera but it's not Free...
Free, in terms of FSF or license fee? It's not the former, certainly, but it should definitely be the latter (the Windows version is).
Even though it's not open source, I don't see why that should stop you from using it if it's better than its competitors.
Mike
FSF. I avoid non-Free software wherever possible, although sadly it isn't always. Nevertheless, I would prefer a slower, Free browser over a faster non-Free browser.
/EDIT: Careful with open-source and Free software. Free software is necessarily open-source, but open-source software doesn't have to be Free. There are practical reasons for open-sourcing a piece of software, but Free software is a philosophical idea. In fact, even Microsoft have some software that is technically open-source.
boogyman
08-18-2006, 11:42 PM
i try to avoid IE as much as possible because they really suck in regards to web standards... but hey... thats microsoft... and since IE still has the floor when it comes to browsers ... thusssssssssssss I do test my code in IE :|
mburt
08-18-2006, 11:52 PM
but hey... thats microsoft
They may have done porely on MSIE, but there are alot of Microsoft (windows) programs that I really like. Simply saying that Microsoft isn't up to standards, isn't necessarily true.
tacmig99
08-19-2006, 12:03 AM
Actually I think what pissa is trying to say is exactly what is being said in that link in Twey's signature. Microsoft does things very differently than everyone else when it comes to the internet and a lot of people don't like that. Personally the only reason I don't use IE anymore is because I was getting too much spyware which got me very annoyed.
blm126
08-19-2006, 03:16 AM
Where's the option "I hate all current web browsers, so I randomly switch between them"?
mburt
08-19-2006, 04:02 AM
(girly british-accent) Pish-posh, you need to invent your own browser!
They may have done porely on MSIE, but there are alot of Microsoft (windows) programs that I really like. Simply saying that Microsoft isn't up to standards, isn't necessarily true.Well, I can't think of too many apps where they've done a better job than the competitors. In credit to them, their web services are a lot better than their software.
mburt
08-19-2006, 04:08 AM
Okay.. I take back alot of Microsoft programs. So maybe there's only a couple. I like FrontPage 2003 (it's fricken awesome), and uh.. well, maybe that's it, but I tend to over exaggerate sometimes... :)
blm126
08-19-2006, 04:15 AM
I like FrontPage 2003 (it's fricken awesome)
Frontpage 2003 has got to be the WORST Microsoft program I have ever used. I attemted to use it for a total of 20 minutes. I could not figure how to make a two column layout with a black background. As to best Microsoft program my vote goes to windows media player. It's the thing I miss most in Linux
shachi
08-19-2006, 08:33 AM
I think that al webdevelopers should together make a universal, standard browser so that it never gives then any pain.;) but hey as the old saying says "Too many cooks spoils the food".
mburt
08-19-2006, 01:09 PM
FrontPage 2003 three has a split screen (my reason for liking it), which is genius for people like me. I never actually design a webpage with buttons and stuff, I just use code. But when the screen is split, and the bottom is a preview of what I coded, that can come in very handy. I've tried Frontpage 2001, 2002, and 2004 and they all bombed, but for me, FrontPage is really amazing.
Frontpage 2003 has got to be the WORST Microsoft program I have ever used.
I respect the fact that you said that it was the worst program you ever used, and that you didn't say it was a horrible program :)
my vote goes to windows media player
Windows Media Player? That's not very good (in my opinion). I think that WinAmp, and Adobe Audition are way better programs.
blm126
08-19-2006, 03:32 PM
mburt have you ever tried Dreamweaver (http://www.adobe.com/products/dreamweaver/),NVU (http://www.nvu.com/index.php),Amaya (http://www.w3.org/Amaya/)?
mburt
08-19-2006, 03:49 PM
Dreamweaver is good, but personally, I don't like it.
mburt
08-19-2006, 03:50 PM
I was just giving a reason for me liking FP 2003
I don't really have a Microsoft program I miss. amaroK kicks WMP's digital posterior, as far as I'm concerned. Xine would do the same on the video front, if it were a little more stable.
It'd be nice to have a greater variety of 3D rendering programs on Linux, though. Xara3D, in particular, I found very helpful. Blender is like ASM -- you can do anything with it, but it takes a while.
FrontPage is painful. :p I haven't used it for a long time, but WYSIWYG editors in general are rather useless, and FrontPage is still the worst of them, judging by the problems we get here.
blm126
08-19-2006, 10:05 PM
I don't really have a Microsoft program I miss. amaroK kicks WMP's digital posterior, as far as I'm concerned. Xine would do the same on the video front, if it were a little more stable.
See, that is what I like about WMP. It play's my video and audio files both.
blm126
08-19-2006, 11:20 PM
mplayer can do that. :)
hmmm....I never tried that. Do you know a good frontend for mplayer besides gmplayer?
kmplayer perhaps? I never used either, though, so just a suggestion.
ptancred
08-22-2006, 09:30 PM
I use Avant.
Avant is an IE front-end. What makes you use it over IE?
Parker1
08-22-2006, 09:47 PM
Worst thing about Microsoft is their OS but then without their OS there wouldn't be any MS software.
What gets me is MS have the financial welly to employ the best coders and have the best advertising campaign ever but they still fail to provide the goods and as for the continuous costly and unnecessary downgrades ????????????
Best thing Bill Gates empire could do is to go back and re invent his original philosophy ------ Become a geek again and reinvent the Windows OS only this time GIVE US ONE THAT WORKS!
ptancred
08-22-2006, 10:15 PM
Avant is an IE front-end. What makes you use it over IE?
That's an extremely good question. Before I added more RAM to my computer, I only had 256mb of it. And since I was running multiple programmes at once (generally Windows Live Messenger (MSN Messenger at the time), Media Player, Outlook and whatever browser I was using), some programmes tended to stop responding and would force me to press ctrl + alt + delete and end it from there.
What's good about Avant is that if it isn't closed properly, the next time you open it, it'll give you the option to open all the tabs that you had open when it stopped responding. Therefore, I didnt have to go back to every site I was on.
Then, after I added 512mb more RAM, it wasn't really an issue. However, I got really used to it and got to like it and have stuck with it ever since.
I did, at one point, however, use FF all the time. Dont really know why I stopped.
Steve11
08-24-2006, 06:44 AM
...is much faster than IE. Ever since I downloaded it, my life has been less stressful. I can have 30+ browsers open and they all run faster than IE did alone. :cool:
jscheuer1
08-24-2006, 07:24 AM
[Firefox 1.5...]...is much faster than IE. Ever since I downloaded it, my life has been less stressful. I can have 30+ browsers open and they all run faster than IE did alone. :cool:
Actually, a well maintained IE will outscore FF on many speed benchmarks. But, FF can also be enhanced to catch up a bit. Where it really bogs down (comparatively) is in javascript/CPU usage - at least on a Windows box where IE has quite a leg up as far as code integration is concerned. This is particularly noticeable in things like fading slide shows and floating point math.
One big problem with IE is its security flaws.
I particularly like Opera, it is very fast where images are concerned and is including more and more stuff all the time. It has a rather unique approach to integrated email that I like, and does pretty good code diagnostics as well.
FF is very good at diagnosing code - javascript, css, and HTML - especially with a few choice extensions. It also has a pleasant look and feel.
I use all three in my work but, Opera is my browser.
I'm now juggling between Firefox, Opera and Konqueror.
Where it really bogs down (comparatively) is in javascript/CPU usage - at least on a Windows box where IE has quite a leg up as far as code integration is concerned. This is particularly noticeable in things like fading slide shows and floating point math.It's even slower on Linux. It also slows down a lot when writing data to memory. Someone on #javascript the other night was remarking upon how it actually takes less time on your average 1MB connection to download the data again than to cache it. Reading it is lightning-fast, but not writing.
mwinter
08-24-2006, 01:20 PM
One big problem with IE is its security flaws.
It seems that I'm the only person I know to witness IE's inability to work out where to load what content. More than once, I would find IE loading images from one window into another. The only way to fix the problem was to delete the affected files from the cache and reload both documents.
Mike
Well that's a new one on me. You've never been able to reproduce it elsewhere?
mwinter
08-24-2006, 01:54 PM
You've never been able to reproduce it elsewhere?
I've never bothered to try. I couldn't care less, frankly: I'd moved to Opera 7.0 (yes, it was a few years ago) when I heard that Opera had become more stable in Windows[1].
The problem occurred when trying to load two or more windows simultaneously. The site where I first noticed it was an image gallery (the site's been radically redesigned; the URL is irrelevant). It loaded images into a new window. Trying to be flashy, each pop-up would contain many images that made up a stylish frame, plus the larger gallery image. As I have a habit of loading any interesting links in the background whilst I read the rest of a site, I did the same with the gallery: opening at least two or more pop-ups at the same time.
It wasn't hard to notice the "Close" button appear expanded in place of the gallery image, or for the latter to be squashed into a space where one of the frame slices should have gone. Reloading the window didn't help either: IE would commit the mistake to the cache. As I wrote earlier, the only way to correct it was to delete the affected files from the cache.
The trouble Microsoft's users have...
Mike
[1] The first time I tried Opera was with a much earlier version, though I don't remember the version number. Unfortunately, whilst I liked the interface and performance, it had a habit of locking up. I've never had that sort of problem with Opera since, though.
The trouble Microsoft's users have...Hm. Did you submit it as a bug?
mwinter
08-24-2006, 02:03 PM
Hm. Did you submit it as a bug?
LOL. Like Microsoft would fix it, anyway! :rolleyes:
Mike
Well, yes. But you might get some confirmation from other people. :)
On IEBlog or something, obviously -- I expect if you submitted it directly to Microsoft it would get swallowed up pretty quickly.
techno_race
03-03-2007, 03:17 PM
I voted for Internet Explorer (Beta). I actually use the final release of IE 7 on Windows Vista's final release. I occasionally use Firefox 2. I use Netscape 8 for testing JavaScripts.
P.S. Opera at some times.
boxxertrumps
03-03-2007, 04:19 PM
Firefox.
even though only 1.5 came with kubuntu im still using it.
Reason #1: Firefox wasnt created to make money, it was created as a web browser.
Reason #2: I'm never buying another MS product again. I've read too many articles about MS to even have the slightest remote inkling to go and buy anything. Xbox 360? stolen...(need to play GoW/Dead rising... But if those games come out for the Wii...) Zune? no.. Zen. Microsoft doesn't offer any product that doesn't have a superior equivalent thats not made by MS.
jscheuer1
03-03-2007, 04:59 PM
I'm never buying another MS product again.
Name the last person who bought IE.
chechu
03-03-2007, 05:13 PM
Maybe I am ?
As mentioned in another thread, it is also a geografical question.
Almost all companies in the European continent work with IE. That's why sites made for European only companies can have errors in other browsers, which they don't care about (read: didn't know).
As coding is concerned: give me the old-fashioned NotePad !
jscheuer1
03-03-2007, 05:29 PM
You paid for IE? Last I checked, its free - has been for years.
ozzgod
03-03-2007, 05:30 PM
Internet Explorer... always...
jscheuer1
03-03-2007, 05:36 PM
Internet Explorer... always...
Well, at least you know a good forum to come to when your HD gets trashed by malware.
Since IE is bundled with the OS, you're paying for it when you buy Windows. All you get for free are updates.
ozzgod
03-03-2007, 06:11 PM
Well, at least you know a good forum to come to when your HD gets trashed by malware.
I'm not worried about my HD getting trashed... it's safe... :eek:
but you are right about one thing... this IS a good forum... :D
I'm not worried about my HD getting trashed... it's safe... :eek: That's what they all say... :p
pcbrainbuster
03-03-2007, 07:02 PM
lol :),
Well here is pretty much what i think should be done -
As far as the problems go simply focus on one browser at a time learn all it's scripting techniques how it works... Then just start making hacked codes and treat all the browsers as one if yu know what i mean ... :)
BLiZZaRD
03-03-2007, 07:15 PM
We already do that... We make our pages and codes work in a specific browser.. one that works. Then we toil away the hours writing hacks for IE, so it will play nice like all the others. :)
jscheuer1
03-03-2007, 08:15 PM
Since IE is bundled with the OS, you're paying for it when you buy Windows. All you get for free are updates.
You can download IE, the complete version, for free. Don't other OS's come with browsers that can also be gotten free (think FF and/or Safari with Mac, perhaps Konq w/some *nix's)?
We already do that... We make our pages and codes work in a specific browser.. one that works. Then we toil away the hours writing hacks for IE, so it will play nice like all the others. :)
The similarities in javascript coding (browser to browser - especially modern browsers) generally far outweigh the differences. With some experience one can simply write out code that works. Even with a lack of knowledge of what a particular browser supports, javascript can be made to degrade gracefully in browsers that do not support its methods. The trick really is in knowing what is a standard method and what may be specific to a certain browser and/or lacking in one. This usually is IE but, not always. And, there are many, many 'core' methods that work in virtually all modern browsers including IE.
You can download IE, the complete version, for free.Yes, but you still need (in theory) a paid product in order to run it, so it's at best a buy-one-get-one-free type of deal.
Don't other OS's come with browsers that can also be gotten free (think FF and/or Safari with Mac, perhaps Konq w/some *nix's)?In Safari's case that's true, but it doesn't hold true for Konq and Fx, since all the software required to run the browser can be obtained for free.
BLiZZaRD
03-04-2007, 12:25 AM
The similarities in javascript coding (browser to browser - especially modern browsers) generally far outweigh the differences. With some experience one can simply write out code that works. Even with a lack of knowledge of what a particular browser supports, javascript can be made to degrade gracefully in browsers that do not support its methods. The trick really is in knowing what is a standard method and what may be specific to a certain browser and/or lacking in one. This usually is IE but, not always. And, there are many, many 'core' methods that work in virtually all modern browsers including IE.
This is true, but in my point I was thinking more of CSS than JS :)
Demonicman
03-04-2007, 02:51 PM
its my depest concern, but i have to use internet explorer because firefox freezes ever 10 seconds randomly
im furious because i loved firefox but it looks like i cant use it anymore :(
BLiZZaRD
03-04-2007, 03:42 PM
its my depest concern, but i have to use internet explorer because firefox freezes ever 10 seconds randomly
im furious because i loved firefox but it looks like i cant use it anymore :(
Sounds to me like one of your add ons or extensions isn't playing nice. Try removing any custom themes. A lot of add ons don't mesh well with some of the themes out there (pity too some are really nice looking).
I had this problem and found out one of my Tab X add ons didn't like my mini theme. Removed the theme (as I liked the Tab X better) and all was perfect with the world.
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